00:01 [12hdf-eu] [07nd] elenmirie (Arc Gno Fem Neu), 47593 points, T:13518, killed by a bolt of cold 00:05 [12hdf-eu] [07nd] elenmirie (Arc Gno Fem Neu), 196 points, T:607, killed by a small mimic 00:11 -!- hpardis has joined #hardfought 00:20 !tell K2 pushed a minor fix 00:20 FIQ: Message from Jonathanhanes_ at 2017-12-14 21:51 EST: on the spell that you get with crowning i get the message "You strain to recall the spell" on each cast 00:20 Will do, FIQ! 00:20 Jonathanhanes: fixed 00:21 -!- hpardis has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:28 -!- zxkuqyb has joined #hardfought 00:42 [12hdf-eu] [07nd] elenmirie (Arc Gno Fem Neu), 1220 points, T:1959, killed by a rabid rat 00:59 K2: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/384784727774724121/391072460407046144/oops....png 00:59 Jendic 01:07 [12hdf-eu] [07nd] elenmirie (Arc Gno Fem Neu), 737 points, T:2099, killed by a hill orc 01:21 [11hdf-us] [13dnh] DrakeMarshall (Bin Clk Fem Non), 234 points, T:739, killed by shredding of the soul 01:29 Holy cow it's cold out 01:42 !asc 01:42 NCommander: NCommander has not ascended in 2 games. 01:43 Evil Patch idea (by ziratha): when a nymph steals an item, the item in question becomes heavily cursed and disenchanted, to screw you over. Ideally the fact that the item is now cursed should not be mentioned when you reclaim it, so you put it back on and suddenly "surprise, surprise, it is now cursed -4!" 01:45 [12hdf-eu] [07nd] elenmirie (Arc Gno Fem Neu), 703 points, T:1892, killed by a killer bee 01:45 [11hdf-us] [13dnh] DrakeMarshall (Bin Dro Fem Non), 176 points, T:664, killed by a newt 01:46 YANI (by Lorskel): corpses can be cooked, and if eaten raw, they can cause vomiting or sickness or other detrimental effects. But cooked corpses can no longer convey intrinsics like fire resistance, because you destroyed all the vitamins. 01:47 LarienTelrunya, the former makes genociding n so much more justifiable. You should change nymph to @ to fix that. 01:47 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 01:47 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 01:48 NCommander: heh. My variant places item-stealers into many monster classes, and some of the very high-level nymphs are ungenocideable. But for vanilla that would indeed make blessed genociding 'n' feasible :) 01:48 @le?swearing nymph 01:48 swearing nymph (15,01n) | Lvl: 28 | Diff: 32 | Spd: 14 | Res: sleep | Confers: nothing | MR: 70 | Generates: special | AC: -1 | Attacks: 4d5 weapon curse, 0d0 gaze remove-engravings, 0d0 claw item steal | Alignment: 0 | Flags: swims, teleports, infravisible 01:50 LarienTelrunya, still less scary than a mind flayer :P 01:51 really? mind flayers are one of my favorite monsters since I can eat them for +INT 01:51 !tell K2 pushed a major bug fix 01:51 Will do, FIQ! 01:52 @le?Sandra's evil sandal 01:52 Sandra's evil sandal (14,01i) | Lvl: 40 | Diff: 52 | Spd: 12 | Res: disintegrate petrification | Confers: nothing | MR: 50 | Generates: special | AC: -10 | Attacks: 2d4 kick paralyze, 5d5 tentacle drain int, 5d5 tentacle drain int, 5d5 tentacle drain int, 5d5 tentacle drain int, 5d5 tentacle suck-equipment | Alignment: -20 | Flags: omnivore, flies, oviparous, 01:52 nopoly, stalker, infravisible 01:52 paralysis, sucks off the helmet, and uses mindflaying attacks :D 01:53 LarienTelrunya, it's reason why I feel like SLEX needs to come with a NC-17 warning on the splash screen :P 01:53 ^like that 01:54 :D 02:15 Many of the scariest things in slex involve footwear 02:18 If I ever get the inclination to seriously try ascending in SLEX, I'm going to have to keep the source code as reference and notes 02:18 use the source luke! 02:19 [11hdf-us] [13dnh] DrakeMarshall (Bin Dro Fem Non), 633 points, T:1046, killed by a water demon 02:20 also, if you want to be the first non-Amy that ascends slex, you gotta hurry; ziratha has a very promising game going on right now ;) 02:21 ... that's just evil. My desire to go down in history vs. the fact that I do like a theorical chance of winning 02:22 !who 02:22 FIQ: [11hdf-us] NCommander [10fh] Tangles [07nd] DrakeMarshall [13dnh] 02:22 FIQ: [12hdf-eu] elenmirie [07nd] 02:23 maybe we should just hire ais523 to cleave slex in half with his TAS tools and do a 500-turn ascension or something :D 02:23 ziratha isn't even playing 02:23 FIQ: esm server, and also he's really not playing right now 02:23 ok 02:24 [11hdf-us] [13dnh] DrakeMarshall (Bin Dro Fem Non), 197 points, T:311, killed by a sewer rat 02:24 anyway, it's time that someone other than me finally ascends slex; after all, once the 200+ level dungeon goes live, it will become much harder 02:28 LarienTelrunya, ... I have to ask, is there any consideration to game balance in SLEX? :) 02:28 sure, I know the entire channel will laugh now but I consider slex a well-balanced game, more balanced than vanilla in fact. 02:29 But the slex design philosophy is so fundamentally different that it's probably like comparing apples with pears anyway. 02:30 actually, counter question: is there anything in particular about slex that you consider to be not balanced? :D 02:33 LarienTelrunya, this is the point where you yell at me, but I've only played vanilla, NH4, and FIQHack :), Still I have a 2/100 (roughly) ascension record in vanilla so I don't think I'm horrid at roguelikes 02:33 Would have been third, but I refuse to play Wizard after that astral splat :( 02:33 you should give slex a try one day :) play slex! *bundlebundlebundle* ♥ 02:34 LarienTelrunya, looking at the roles, I'd probably try to ascend a firefighter 02:34 * NCommander was one in RL anyway 02:34 ooh cool, one of my colleagues is one too 02:35 (and she'll go out with me later today ♥) 02:35 * LarienTelrunya will be very happy with such a lovely wing-tufted girl by her side! 02:37 [11hdf-us] [13dnh] DrakeMarshall (Bin Dro Fem Non), 221 points, T:425, killed by a jackal 02:37 LarienTelrunya, a single female firefighter? That's like finding a unicorn who ascended SLEX. 02:37 * NCommander ducks. 02:38 well she's neither single nor lesbian, so we won't become a couple, but I still absolutely adore her and like to spend time with her ♥♥♥ 02:38 also, play the unicorn race in slex and ascend! *bundlebundlebundle* ♥ 02:39 [12hdf-eu] [07nd] elenmirie (Arc Gno Fem Neu), 3681 points, T:2569, killed by a rabid rat 02:39 (admittedly, I never ascended the unicorn race yet either) 02:39 * NCommander is waiting for random SLEX DLC on Steam now :P 02:40 LarienTelrunya, I'm reading through SLEX's monst.c just to get an idea of how bad this gets 02:40 monst.c??? good god, you'll be at it for a while (slex has 17k or so monsters right now) 02:41 other interesting ones would be trap.c and objects.c, and probably invent.c ;) 02:42 LarienTelrunya, I'm just browsing since at least you can see most of the useful stuff in game w/ the pokedex. I'm impressed though, you broke GitHub, it would only let me read raw. 02:43 LarienTelrunya, honestly my biggest complaint is it's going to destroy my win/loss record here :P 02:43 well, make a second account only for slex, that should keep your main account's streaks intact, right? 02:43 * LarienTelrunya has 3 accounts on the esm server, one for regular play, one for junethack, and one for testing 02:44 ... that's a distressingly simple solution 02:44 Though if I ascend then it's on the alt :P. I'm waiting for git to actually download the source now 02:44 Since I want a copy w/ local wizard mode 02:44 ah, makes sense 02:45 (I also wiztest stuff often, such as the new strategy I discovered a few days ago to remotely wake up Vlad, which actually works in regular SLASH'EM too) 02:45 LarienTelrunya, there were a few ways to do that in vanilla SLASH'EM if I remember RGRN 02:46 SLEX is basically SLASH'EM dungeon layout, you need the three elemental keys to get to vlad, and Cthulu on the bottom 02:46 ^? 02:46 did they mention sphere spam? i.e. casting a sphere spell until one spawns near Vlad and wakes him? 02:46 well, currently the server versions of slex are SLASH'EM layout, but the development version makes it bigger, see dat/dungeon.def 02:47 I vaguely remember it 02:47 There was some discussion on how to nerf it but SLASH'EM's development was already stalled at that point. 02:47 * NCommander only remembers this due to photographic memory 02:47 :/ 02:47 Or mostly 02:47 specifically, after beating the quest, one must beat a 10-level subquest or else the bell of opening won't work, and after claiming the Amulet of Yendor one must traverse a 100-level bonus dungeon and find three yellow staircases to start the actual ascension run 02:48 LarienTelrunya, sounds like I *don't* want to compile master though. 02:48 100 Dl dungeon with harassment 02:48 That sounds like "fun" 02:48 ah, you'll want the https://github.com/SLASHEM-Extended/SLASHEM-Extended/tree/slex-2.1.1 branch, that one is even with the server 02:48 git clone just finished 02:48 * NCommander tries to remember the ruins to enable Wizard and change the username 02:49 well the harassment is nerfed to occur 10 times less often until the player completed that bonus dungeon 02:51 [11hdf-us] [13dnh] DrakeMarshall (Bin Dro Fem Non), 225 points, T:533, killed by a jackal 02:51 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Wizard_mode#Unix (I haven't been able to get that to work on my unix VM, sadly) 02:53 LarienTelrunya, getting wizard mode to work on UNIX is usually "fun" 02:54 LarienTelrunya, it's grinding away 02:54 hmm, I guess you could just hijack the code (since you're compiling it anyway) and put "flags.debug = 1" somewhere 02:55 or just make a "wizard" user which is the hardcoded default account that could use wizard in NH343 02:55 :) 02:56 config.h # define WIZARD "wizard" /* the person allowed to use the -D option */ 02:56 changing that to a different username would also do the trick ;) 02:57 * NCommander rolled his first firefighter 02:57 This will end poorly 03:00 ooh cool you're actually playing! I'll watch :) 03:00 [11hdf-us] [12slex] NCslex (Fir Her Mal Law), 91 points, T:117, killed by a monster (thick elf-lord) 03:00 ... how did you find such a high-level monster so early? 03:01 LarienTelrunya, the RNG hates me. You didn't see what happened before my last FIQhack game ended due to unexpected bug 03:01 oh? what happened? 03:02 LarienTelrunya, partially eaten lizard corpses don't count for stopping stoning. Bug introduced in NH4 and ended up in FIQhack 03:02 ugh, that sounds extremely aggravating 03:02 In the castle too, was hit with a rubber chicken 03:02 LarienTelrunya, that was after I dropped into an incredibly nasty bones level with eight dragons (FIQHack dragons are NASTY) 03:04 aww, that must have sucked, surviving all that only to be taken out by a bug :( 03:04 * LarienTelrunya remembers how she got to the samurai quest goal level in FIQhack and was instawiped by a samurai reading a scroll of genocide 03:04 LarienTelrunya, not as bad/funny as my Jubilex splat 03:05 LarienTelrunya, ow. ... also, you randomized appearances to the point I can't even tell what slot an item goes into? 03:05 * NCommander is trying to understand allmain.c 03:05 you're playing the ancient race, which renames all items to gibberish; what you're looking at is some sort of cloak 03:05 Oh 03:05 Meant to select human 03:05 ah well 03:06 do you know about inventory item descriptions? hit the corresponding letter while in inventory view :) 03:08 LarienTelrunya, thanks. let's see if I can get past Dl:1 03:09 I've died from thrown cream pies in slex before... 03:09 LarienTelrunya, for some reason, I have an urge to implement a new food item as a patch. The wafer thin mint 03:10 heh, weighs 0, gives 0 nutrition and causes you to choke anyway? 03:10 Something like that :) 03:12 [12hdf-eu] [07nd] Kontroller (Val Hum Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at her by some watery tart, on T:3089 03:12 ... did I really find an artifact on Dl 1? 03:12 oh, trying to name the dog? shift-C 03:13 no faux 03:13 Stormchaser is a fake artifact; usually, fakes are highly enchanted. Not necessarily *positively* enchanted, mind. Don't forget to pet-test for curses :) 03:13 ah, apparently it's a silk spear 03:14 which does d6/d8 damage 03:16 [11hdf-us] [13dnh] DrakeMarshall (Bin Dro Fem Non), 1850 points, T:1761, killed by a hill orc 03:16 [12hdf-eu] [07nd] elenmirie (Arc Gno Fem Neu), 1061 points, T:2797, killed by a rothe 03:20 [12hdf-eu] [07nd] Kontroller (Val Hum Fem Law), 2769 points, T:3919, killed by an elven dagger 03:20 [11hdf-us] [13dnh] DrakeMarshall (Bin Dro Fem Non), 64 points, T:194, killed by a newt 03:23 NCommander: hint: the "scroll of davolash" will heal a couple of hit points when read 03:24 gonna be afk now though, since my wonderlovely colleague and I are going to eat now :) 03:24 LarienTelrunya, have fun 03:30 [11hdf-us] [13dnh] DrakeMarshall (Bin Dro Fem Non), 266 points, T:833, killed by a system shock 03:34 [11hdf-us] [12slex] NCslex (Fir Anc Mal Law), 1090 points, T:1734, killed by a monster (weregiantant) 03:35 [11hdf-us] [13dnh] DrakeMarshall (Bin Dro Fem Non), 90 points, T:576, killed by a jackal 03:46 [11hdf-us] [13dnh] DrakeMarshall (Bin Dro Fem Non), 147 points, T:352, killed by a fox 03:48 [11hdf-us] [13dnh] DrakeMarshall (Bin Dro Fem Non), 5 points, T:25, killed by a jackal 03:51 I fixed that bug as soon as I was made aware of it 03:55 hmm 03:55 hey fiq i'm getting an error 03:56 "monster jump checks contrdict each other" 03:58 https://imgur.com/a/6p5qo 04:04 [11hdf-us] [12slex] NCslex (Fir Hum Mal Law), 552 points, T:885, killed by an arrow 04:04 yeah I know about it 04:04 K2 hasn't updated the server 04:06 [11hdf-us] [12slex] NCslex (Fir Hum Mal Law), 13 points, T:124, killed by a glass bolt 04:07 FIQhack updated (us and eu) 04:07 K2: Message from FIQ at 2017-12-15 03:20 EST: pushed a minor fix 04:07 K2: Message from FIQ at 2017-12-15 04:51 EST: pushed a major bug fix 04:07 woo 04:11 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:12 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:12 -!- Grasshopper_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:13 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 04:13 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 04:16 [11hdf-us] [13dnh] DrakeMarshall (Bin Dro Fem Non), 125 points, T:464, killed by a sewer rat 04:20 !tell K2 puhed fixes 04:20 Will do, FIQ! 04:21 will have to do it from work, headed out 04:21 K2: Message from FIQ at 2017-12-15 07:20 EST: puhed fixes 04:22 ok 04:23 Jonathanhanes: There's still issues with jumping until K2 updates. The issues should happen less, but just so you know 04:23 Pressing R and restarting should generally work 04:23 as temporary work-around 04:24 [11hdf-us] [13dnh] DrakeMarshall (Bin Dro Fem Non) wished for "blessed rustproof +3 premium heart", on T:461 04:37 [11hdf-us] [07nd] Tangles (Cav Dwa Mal Law) became literate by reading a book, on T:5878 04:49 finally back! NCommander: how's it going? 04:50 LarienTelrunya, I managed to get a firefighter to the mines, but my St is down to 3 ... not sure how that happened. I also started coding wafer thin mint 04:52 ah, according to the ttyrec, you started with a strength of 4 and then lost a point to poison :( 04:52 LarienTelrunya, yeah, I didn't even notice it was that low. Having serious killing stuff, I did find artifact soft stars though but not enough to get the skill to basic 04:52 one way to get back up to 4 is to become weak from hunger (because strength cannot go below 3) and then eat something (which will nonetheless restore it and push you to 4 strength) 04:52 which has helped 04:52 *serious issues 04:53 soft stars? those usually spawn in large stacks; how many do you have? 04:55 LarienTelrunya, started with 90, down to 70, they're an artifact 04:55 LarienTelrunya, inventory up 04:55 oh, those have +10 damage! 04:55 Yeah but I'm failing to hit anything with them. I've been source diving every time I find an artifact 04:56 the inverse gloves are interesting 04:56 with a strength of 3, thrown weapons only travel for a single square :( 04:56 Yeah 04:56 That too 04:56 I might use the bow, at least THAT goes slightly further 04:56 [11hdf-us] [07nd] Grasshopper (Bar Hum Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:19453 04:58 !who 04:58 FIQ: [11hdf-us] NCslex [12slex] Tangles [07nd] Grasshopper [07nd] 04:58 FIQ: [12hdf-eu] No current players 04:58 I take it NCslex is NCommander ? 04:58 Yeah 04:58 aww, rip :( 04:58 I'm getting better 04:58 Each attempt, I get down one more Dl 04:59 oh, the inverse gloves were evil gloves 04:59 That explains it. The base defense was nice 04:59 inverse gloves will curse when their enchantment becomes negative, but evil gloves will curse anyway whenever they're put on :( 04:59 [11hdf-us] [12slex] NCslex (Fir Hum Mal Law), 3966 points, T:2433, killed by a monster (invisible large ferret) 04:59 !lastgame 04:59 LarienTelrunya: https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/N/NCslex/slex/dumplog/1513339575.slex.txt 05:00 Reminds me of when I started NetHack, and loosing to more than a few newts 05:00 apparently the evil gloves made it so that stairs traps would occur whenever you changed dungeon levels 05:00 inverse gloves should curse if enchanted, bless if disenchantedd 05:00 *disenchanting 05:00 **disenchanted 05:01 FIQ: would be a possibility, but what if they're an autocursing kind, like in NCommander's game? will they bless before or after autocursing? :D 05:03 Yay, got the basic wafer thin mint to show up, and wizard mode working: https://imgur.com/a/SjAYp 05:03 why wouldautocursing procs when you put them on 05:03 you can't enchant them if they aren't worn 05:03 er 05:03 NCommander: oh, you implemented them in slex :D 05:03 *why would autocursing proc other than when put on 05:03 FIQ: oh, you mean the act of (dis)enchanting them, via scroll or disenchanter or something, would change the BUC! 05:03 yeah 05:04 or enchanted with enchant armor 05:04 I can probably make a new randomized appearance in the next version that actually does this :) 05:04 LarienTelrunya, yeah, had a few hiccups cause I forgot that you had to modify probabities to make shit not complain. Now I need it to actually do something 05:05 oh that is simple to fix 05:05 ah, yes, in slex the probabilities add up to 10000 (in vanilla it's 1000) 05:05 I fixed that a while back 05:05 so probabilities could add up to any number 05:06 * NCommander needs to remember how the full skit works. 05:06 FIQhack updated (us and eu) 05:07 LarienTelrunya: see FIQHack commit a0781683398edc841c4d702b3dc89ee2b7ac186b 05:07 if you're interested 05:07 K2: thanks 05:09 FIQ: ooh, that fix looks elegant 05:10 o/ 05:11 see 05:11 not everything FIQHack does is evil 05:11 : 05:11 *:P 05:11 sure, slex already implemented some ideas that originated from FIQhack, although I can't exactly remember which ones 05:12 <[Demo]> I'm really glad slex exists 05:12 :D 05:12 -!- deadnoob has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 05:13 <[Demo]> it's just like when you mix all the slurpee flavors in one cup and then get some weird status effect you've never heard of 05:14 <[Demo]> it's a unique experience 05:14 LarienTelrunya: I know there's several bug fixes in there from me, didn't know it had features originally from fiqhack though 05:14 hahaha :) I'm not done mixing in more stuff yet, either! 05:16 FIQ: hmm, can't find them in the source either 05:16 maybe I misremembered 05:16 ok 05:16 sleep duration nerf? 05:17 yeah, slex has that 05:17 that is probably the only time I've gone "really, nethack? what is this shit" 05:17 fh commit c99da0a7e1c987f9b7516bd9bd1e32f6dac925c0 05:18 yeah I saw that, and I agree that it's shitty to put you to sleep for 6d25 turns (or 25d6, whatever the exact numbers are) 05:18 6d25 05:18 LarienTelrunya: that is what killed your fh 2016 char :P 05:18 :D 05:19 a kobold shaman stunlocking you 05:19 w00t 05:19 the wafer thin mint actually does something now 05:19 what is a wafer thin mint 05:19 FIQ, a badly implemented joke 05:19 lol 05:19 perfect for slex then 05:19 FIQ, it's from Monty Python :) 05:19 NCommander: what does it do? print a message? 05:19 ah 05:21 LarienTelrunya, if you're saturated, you start vomiting so you "make room", oversaturated, you take damage and making it to die by gluttony. If you're named Creosote ... instadeath 05:21 (not that I expect the later to ever come into play, but that was the name of the guy who exploded in the skit) 05:21 haha, well, if you name yourself Creosote you can lie to vault guards without penalties, so... 05:22 ... is that the same spelling? 05:22 oooh 05:22 * NCommander never realized that 05:22 or actually, it's not a lie if you name yourself that, and that's why you don't get the penalty 05:22 I kinda like the karma in that :) 05:22 and it would be useful for slex in particular, where the vault guard will quiz you if you're lying to him, and if you give the wrong answer to his questions then he becomes hostile. 05:24 -!- Haudegen has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:25 wouldn't it make much more sense to quiz if you reply creosote 05:25 whether you actually lie or not 05:27 well, I guess it would; currently, there's a general 10% or so chance to be quizzed even if you didn't lie 05:27 * NCommander is testing if this works 05:27 My C is a little rusty as is playing with NH's guts 05:27 NCommander: pick the spirit race for easy testing, then you can phase through walls and get to the vaults quickly :) 05:28 LarienTelrunya, the instadeath only fires if you're named Croteus or a variant of it, and you eat the mint 05:28 With a unique death message 05:29 ah, I see 05:29 I'm not quite as sadistic as you 05:29 :) 05:29 you should be able to instakill croesus by throwing it at him 05:29 FIQ: "Objects now merge regardless of object knowledge, combining the knowledge. Previously, this was only the case for BUC knowledge" - what if one of them is BUC-known and the other is enchantment-known? will the resulting stack then have both BUC and enchantment known? or can that not happen outside of slex anyway? 05:30 LarienTelrunya: that is correct 05:30 that will happen 05:30 ah 05:30 it's smarter than slex's merge logic; I'd be interested to see how that works code-wise 05:30 [11hdf-us] [07nd] Tangles (Cav Dwa Mal Law) completed Sokoban, on T:9366 05:30 you can look at the diff 05:32 FIQ, ... I love that idea 05:32 Way too much 05:32 well 05:32 it makes sense 05:33 * NCommander waits for slex to build 05:33 I keep having to clean then build cause otherwise I get undefined symbols :( 05:34 "Item destruction is rarer: 50% if cursed, 25% if uncursed, 6.25% is blessed. Wands lose charges instead of being destroyed, unless it's emptied, or was already empty/cancelled." that is actually a very good change, in vanilla it's so annoying that blessing the item does nothing to reduce the risk! 05:34 NCommander: do you prefer fiqhack's curses UI over the ttyw windowport? if you do, you can enable the curses interface in slex 05:34 it's similar 05:34 Curses blows up race selection in the notes 05:34 not anymore 05:34 turn it on! 05:35 I picked out the role/race stuff from the in-development curses stuff and made a patch out of it 05:35 for LarienTelrunya's benefit 05:35 thanks to FIQ, character selection works in curses-slex :) 05:35 since the role selection was completely broken beforehand 05:35 in slex 05:35 that reminds me, I still need to fix the curses window memory leak error 05:35 good luck 05:35 I am working on a complete rewrite 05:36 to get rid of all of the weird issues curses has 05:36 where was that leak fix again? grunthack? 05:36 codewise, etc 05:36 ask Tangles, he fixed a bunch of memory leaks 05:36 LarienTelrunya, ugh, you've managed to motivate me into being the fist non-dev ascension in SLEX, which means I'm probably going to spend a stupid amount of time in Wizard mode to figure out crap. 05:36 I fixed some more in the uncursed branch, but there are still memory leaks 05:36 NCommander: slex intends to make no game 100% winnable even with enough skill 05:37 NCommander: haha :) well, that's what wizmode is for, actually 05:37 by having random shit make you die 05:37 be careful 05:37 Well how I actually learned to play NetHack 3.4 was with wiz mode and grabbing the amulet and writing down why I died 05:37 Granted, SLEX is ready to murder you at the drop of a hat, but at least I can learn to figure out how to avoid the preventable ones 05:37 mhm 05:38 FIQ: specifically, one of the principles of slex's design philosophy is "with perfect play, the player should not have a 100% chance of winning the game", although in practice it's probably still 95% or so since the stuff that really screws you over with no chance is extremely rare 05:38 LarienTelrunya: when was your last victory 05:38 To be fair, even with perfect play, I disagree NetHack is 100% winnable. 05:38 you should confirm that it is still winnable 05:39 Bug non-withstanding, I got stupidly lucky those eight dragons didn't end me in FIQHack 05:39 yeah I saw that bones level 05:39 it was ridiculous 05:39 FIQ: I'm working on a phantom cavewoman on the esm server, ready to enter Gehennom (wanna continue her once I get home today). Genoless, wishless, polyselfless and polyobjectless intact so far, and I intend to keep all of them. 05:39 NCommander: you would probably have died 05:39 if not for early WoW 05:39 well, I mean 05:39 you did anyway 05:40 but you know what I mean 05:41 FIQ, I'm not sure how the WoW saved me there; I didn't use a wish to escape it :P 05:41 This wafer-thin mint is delicious! You make some room to get it down Check please ... 05:41 https://nhqdb.alt.org/?2241 oh my god 05:41 Cool. That's at least partially working 05:41 Yeah I saw that 05:42 poor poor StatueSurfer 05:42 Reminds me of the guy in Dwarf Fortress A mode. Total newbie. Cleaned out a vault wearing leather armor 05:42 aosdict: and it was so close 05:42 that he ascended with that crazy conduct 05:42 then ais523 came along to say "well I ascended containerless, so yeah" 05:43 heh 05:43 aosdict: damn you beat me to it, I wanted to say that just now :D 05:43 but ais does stuff like that all the time 05:43 ais523 would probably also be able to break slex in two by creating an infinity wish engine and an infinity gain level engine and ascend with MAXINT-1 max HP and Pw, after 1000 turns. :P 05:45 make: Circular include/date.h <- src/cmd.o dependency dropped. 05:45 ^- that's why crud isn't building right 05:45 And I keep having to clean 05:46 Was he the guy that got the first MAXINT game? 05:46 LarienTelrunya: probably not 05:47 his head tends to hurt merely just hearing about slex 05:47 apparently Adeon was the one to do the first MAXINT score ascension 05:47 I still remember that 11 conduct game 05:47 FIQ: hahahahahahaha :D but he'd theoretically be able to do it 05:47 Total. Madness. 05:47 LarienTelrunya: you should give him like $10k 05:47 Adeon that is 05:47 to convince him to play slex 05:48 heh, I'd rather give Adeon like 10k *bundlebundlebundle*'s to make him update Pinobot with the new slex monsters ♥ 05:48 anyway, gotta go, and once I get home I'll probably continue my cavewoman! 05:48 later guys, and thanks NCommander for playing :) 05:48 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:02 [11hdf-us] [07nd] Tangles (Cav Dwa Mal Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a werejackal, on T:10847 06:03 Tangles: enjoy your new life as a jackal 06:06 FIQ: My ring of polymorph control is silver. 06:06 ouch 06:16 oooh 06:16 Sometimes the RNG just wants you to suffer. 06:17 Tangles: in my 2016 unnethack vampire asc 06:17 slow digestion was silver 06:17 that was.. interesting 06:19 [11hdf-us] [07nd] Tangles (Cav Dwa Mal Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:11907 06:20 FIQ, does that cause silver damage each turn or? 06:21 NCommander: It stops you from wearing it. 06:22 "You cannot handle your ring of polymorph control!" or something. 06:22 THat's in vanilla at least. Un may be different. 06:23 yeah in un it makes you unable to regenerate HP in any way 06:25 I just noticed in 361dev... the secret doors in the catacombs version of mines' end are rendering as horizontal walls instead of vertical (while they are still hidden). 06:26 submit a bug report 06:26 there were some quirks like that in baalzebub's lair a while back 06:26 https://imgur.com/a/lLwiw - I think I have a new favorite death message :) 06:41 NCommander: How did you get that? 06:43 Tangles, writing a SLEX patch. It's what happens if you eat a wafer thin mint and your name is Croesus 06:51 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 06:52 lol 06:53 -!- deadnoob has joined #hardfought 06:55 rofl 06:55 'fuck off, i'm full!' 06:56 [11hdf-us] [07nd] Tangles (Cav Dwa Mal Law) made his first wish - "blessed greased fireproof +7 bag of holding named this bag contains no valuables", on T:12489 06:58 K2, it's actually a reference to the monty python skit 06:58 i know 06:58 the meaning of life 06:58 when the waiter asks the guy for the wafer, his initial reply was 'fuck off, i'm full!' 06:59 that skit is my favorite from the movie 06:59 * NCommander posts a PR so LarienTelrunya can look to make sure I haven't broken SLEX unintentionally 07:00 heh, not sure if I'll actually implement it that way; I'm leaning towards a monster named "wafer-thin mint" with 0 weight and 0 nutrition that gives the YAFMs (and potential effects) when eaten 07:00 (i.e. when its corpse is eaten) 07:01 LarienTelrunya, https://imgur.com/a/lLwiw 07:01 yeah, saw that in the backscroll; I like the death message, will probably implement :) 07:03 [11hdf-us] [08un] krm26 (Bar Hum Fem Neu), 621866 points, T:44941, quit 07:03 gah 07:03 LarienTelrunya, have a PR https://github.com/SLASHEM-Extended/SLASHEM-Extended/pull/22 07:06 alright, added to my to-do list for the next version 07:06 thx! 07:09 * NCommander suspects if he looked at LarienTelrunya's TODO list, it would include items like "make amulet of yendor explode", "determine max amount of innuendo that can be crammed in an ASCII character set", and "dump core when "oY is #offered" 07:09 haha, making the game unwinnable would be too evil even for slex 07:09 You all saw it! Even LarienTelrunya has standards on evil! 07:10 I need to sleep at some point 07:10 * NCommander had a cruddy night 07:10 Blasted cold, and two jumpstarts :( 07:11 K2: if I told you I haven't seen the meaning of life, will you think less of me? :P 07:11 (have seen holy grail several times, and life of brian once but so long ago I don't remember) 07:11