00:05 DIED: Raisse (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 470 points, 3106 turns, killed by a gecko on hdf-eu 00:14 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1] 00:28 DIED: chuggy (Bar-Orc-Mal-Cha), 2720 points, 2330 turns, killed by a wand on hdf-eu 00:29 DIED: Raisse (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 5016 points, 3016 turns, killed by a giant beetle on hdf-eu 00:30 DIED: Raisse (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 222 points, 379 turns, killed by a large mimic on hdf-eu 00:32 -!- Desktop has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:37 DIED: Tangles (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 4863 points, 1437 turns, killed by a gnome lord on hdf-au 00:40 DIED: Raisse (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 1713 points, 2279 turns, killed by a gecko, while praying on hdf-eu 00:41 -!- Webmant has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:07 -!- StatueSurfer has joined #hardfought 01:11 YASI: the server tracks how often the pacman challenge has been completed over the course of the tournament, and once that counter reaches 255, all future players who attempt to do the challenge get a kill screen. 01:15 DIED: Raisse (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 212 points, 274 turns, killed by a hobbit on hdf-eu 01:17 DIED: Raisse (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 604 points, 690 turns, killed by a coyote on hdf-eu 01:17 also, what happens if a player accidentally perma-ignores a challenge? will the server administrator say "your own fault, too late to go back now"? 01:21 YASI: bobble hats in regular nethack. They give 10 points of AC, autocurse when being put on, and cause the stun status effect until removed. 01:23 DIED: chuggy (Bar-Orc-Fem-Cha), 36757 points, 4496 turns, killed by a vampire on hdf-eu 01:30 -!- ais523 has quit [Quit: sorry for my connection] 01:30 LarienTelrunya: ask K2 01:31 heh, it didn't actually happen, I'm just wondering 01:37 EPI: if you use the pay command in a shop while not holding unpaid items, you'll pay for items that are actually your own, and there is no confirmation; you push the button, there goes your gold. Because EPI. 01:53 DIED: Raisse (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 849 points, 2026 turns, killed by a kitten on hdf-eu 01:53 DIED: Raisse (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 59 points, 66 turns, killed by a boiling potion on hdf-eu 01:53 YASI: when you've fallen in a pit and are trying to get out, nearby hostile monsters can try to stomp your hands, making it take more turns until you can finally free yourself from the pit. 01:54 DIED: Raisse (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 6 points, 49 turns, killed by a newt on hdf-eu 01:54 Bonus YASI: if the pit has spikes, it can cause you to take spike and poison damage again. 01:55 -!- StatueSurfer has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:27 DIED: Tangles (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 4796 points, 3319 turns, killed by a soldier ant, while praying on hdf-au 03:04 DIED: Kontroller (Kni-Hum-Mal-Law), 25986 points, 9985 turns, killed by a fire elemental on hdf-eu 03:21 -!- puck1 has joined #hardfought 03:35 YASI/EPI: breath control helmet. Allows the player to get results similar to foocubus encounters without requiring an actual foocubus, but has a chance of killing the player by way of asphyxiation. 03:37 YASI: helm of blindness. "As you put on the helm, you realize that it covers your eyes. You can't see a thing with this on!" 03:38 DIED: Raisse (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 5607 points, 5071 turns, killed by an owlbear on hdf-eu 03:58 DIED: Tangles (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 2964 points, 2640 turns, killed by a fire ant on hdf-au 04:03 -!- hothraxxa has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:11 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:13 -!- hothraxxa has joined #hardfought 04:13 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v hothraxxa] by ChanServ 04:20 DIED: Raisse (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 6222 points, 7457 turns, killed by a white unicorn on hdf-eu 04:21 DIED: Raisse (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 174 points, 227 turns, killed by a bat on hdf-eu 04:31 -!- deepy has quit [Quit: meow] 04:38 DIED: k2 (Sam-Hum-Mal-Law), 2462 points, 1257 turns, killed by a gnome lord on hardfought 04:43 -!- noty has joined #hardfought 04:57 -!- aoei has joined #hardfought 04:57 -!- aoei is now known as aoei\splat 05:04 DIED: aoei (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 864 points, 299 turns, killed by a gnome lord on hdf-eu 05:07 -!- khoR has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:07 -!- deepy has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:07 -!- Elronnd has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 05:10 DIED: aoei (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 152 points, 358 turns, killed by a boiling potion on hdf-eu 05:11 -!- Elronnd has joined #hardfought 05:14 DIED: k2 (Sam-Hum-Mal-Law), 3761 points, 4090 turns, killed by a mumak on hardfought 05:22 DIED: Raisse (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 2063 points, 2748 turns, killed by a monkey, while frozen by a potion on hdf-eu 05:28 -!- khoR has joined #hardfought 05:32 DIED: aoei (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 1290 points, 1307 turns, killed by a jaguar on hdf-eu 05:32 YANI: the Castle or whatever the Dungeons of Doom endpoint is a midpoint where the powers of your god and Moloch are relatively equal. Prayer works here, but it is not reliable. 05:32 -!- Haudegen has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:39 DIED: aoei (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 1365 points, 725 turns, killed by a Mordor orc on hdf-eu 05:40 aosdict: same with votd? 05:41 -!- greqrg has joined #hardfought 05:41 Nah, that's firmly within Moloch's sphere of influence. 05:41 ok 05:42 DIED: Tangles (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 1453 points, 1531 turns, killed by a gnome king on hdf-au 05:47 YANI: if you are not reflecting and get hit with something reflectable, and prayer timeout is 0, your god may intervene, increasing timeout by a small amount. "But it reflects somehow!" 05:56 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 05:56 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 05:59 DIED: Tangles (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 1730 points, 1549 turns, killed by an Uruk-hai on hdf-au 06:00 DIED: k2 (Sam-Hum-Mal-Law), 2320 points, 1672 turns, killed by a gnome king on hardfought 06:03 -!- aoei\splat has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:05 -!- zjmc_ has joined #hardfought 06:06 DIED: Tangles (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 319 points, 445 turns, killed by a gnome on hdf-au 06:11 -!- aoei\splat has joined #hardfought 06:14 jonadab: did you have a YANI for valkyries draining life at some point? I have a reference to it, but can't find the idea itself. 06:14 -!- puck1 has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.0-dev] 06:15 DIED: jmcunx (Bar-Orc-Mal-Cha), 357 points, 826 turns, killed by a bat on hardfought 06:20 DIED: Tangles (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 1017 points, 1158 turns, killed by tumbling down a flight of stairs on hdf-au 06:24 -!- puck1 has joined #hardfought 06:44 -!- deadnoob has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:45 -!- deadnoob has joined #hardfought 06:47 DIED: Tangles (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 1444 points, 2042 turns, killed by an ape on hdf-au 06:56 DIED: Tangles (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 433 points, 543 turns, killed by a gnome on hdf-au 07:03 DIED: Raisse (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 1200 points, 1749 turns, killed by a gray ooze on hdf-eu 07:04 -!- Webmant has joined #hardfought 07:09 -!- deadnoob has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 07:10 -!- Webmant has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:11 DIED: Bugpowder (Pri-Elf-Fem-Cha), 3187 points, 3173 turns, killed by a soldier ant on altorg 07:26 DIED: Bugpowder (Pri-Elf-Fem-Cha), 809 points, 1465 turns, killed by a hobbit, while frozen by a monster's gaze on altorg 07:31 CHALLENGE ACCEPTED! Glord accepted the Joust challenge. 07:32 aosdict: I have no memory of that. 07:36 -!- puck1 has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.0-dev] 07:37 -!- Webmant has joined #hardfought 07:47 DIED: Luxidream (Ran-Hum-Fem-Neu), 870 points, 2745 turns, killed by a wererat on hardfought 07:47 DIED: eitwinston (Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu), 1185 points, 2197 turns, killed by an iguana on hardfought 07:53 DIED: jmcunx (Kni-Hum-Mal-Law), 622 points, 3323 turns, killed by a bat, while frozen by a monster's gaze on hardfought 08:02 -!- puck1 has joined #hardfought 08:03 DIED: Luxidream (Ran-Hum-Mal-Neu), 404 points, 1733 turns, killed by a homunculus, while sleeping on hardfought 08:04 DIED: Luxidream (Ran-Hum-Mal-Neu), 8 points, 42 turns, killed by a sewer rat on hardfought 08:12 aosdict: that as shpingrlde 08:12 *was 08:17 DIED: Luxidream (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 1415 points, 1537 turns, killed by a rothe on hardfought 08:40 DIED: aoei (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 1209 points, 841 turns, killed by an orc zombie, while fainted from lack of food on hdf-eu 08:43 Happy Thanksgiving to all who are celebrating it today 09:06 DIED: Luxidream (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 39516 points, 2736 turns, killed by a zruty on hardfought 09:12 -!- mcnick has joined #hardfought 09:13 -!- Porkman has joined #hardfought 09:17 -!- rikersan has joined #hardfought 09:18 Thanks k2, same to you 09:23 FIQ: well I still don't know where to find it 09:23 K2: Today I am thankful for you hosting such a great server and great tournament :) 09:25 greqrg o/ 09:25 aosdict: thanks! team effort though 09:26 \o 09:27 Yeah I've been enjoying the Devnull tribute tournament a lot, thanks for putting this together guys :) 09:28 ^^ Tangles Mandevil\splat 09:28 i have yet to get an ascension :P 09:28 by god i will before it ends 09:29 I snuck one in last weekend, hopefully I can get another in by the end of this weekend 09:31 lost my chance for Birdie WBO though 09:32 :/ 09:32 It happens, figured I'd try 09:33 ran into a giant bat at level 2 with no escape items and an Elbereth that does nothing to monsters in corridors 09:33 -!- Haudegen has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:37 DIED: Luxidream (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 3956 points, 1941 turns, killed by a bolt of lightning on hardfought 09:40 DIED: deki (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 268 points, 502 turns, killed by a bat on hdf-eu 09:40 i highly doubt i'll see w/ bells on 09:40 i've only ever streaked twice in my life 09:40 short-lived 09:44 DIED: Luxidream (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 779 points, 751 turns, killed by a dwarf on hardfought 09:45 I get them every once in a while 09:45 You can get unlucky and lose it easily in the early game though, I'm not convinced optimal play can 100% avoid all deaths 09:46 DIED: aoei (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 4678 points, 426 turns, killed by a dwarvish spear on hdf-eu 09:46 I actually have a 3-game streak active still from Junethack 2016 on NAO 09:53 DIED: deki (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 1814 points, 2598 turns, killed by a bugbear on hdf-eu 09:57 -!- rikersan has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:59 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 10:00 greqrg: You can add the bells still. 10:01 If you manage two consequent games with different genders. 10:01 I know, I'm just not sure if I'll have time to streak again 10:01 Yeah, time's getting short 10:01 * Mandevil\splat has Birdie WBO in the works. 10:01 I figured that was the best opportunity to take a stab at it 10:01 oooh, good luck! 10:02 greqrg: I found wand of wishing on dlvl 3. 10:02 greqrg: That's all the luck I could have ever wanted. 10:02 ha, yeah 10:02 wooo! 10:02 you've got this 10:02 Also got a throne wish. 10:13 DIED: spontiff (Hea-Gno-Mal-Neu), 450 points, 6691 turns, killed by a water demon on hdf-eu 10:15 -!- Tarmunora_ is now known as Tarmunoraway 10:17 DIED: Glord (Kni-Hum-Mal-Law), 1014 points, 1434 turns, killed by a gnome lord on hardfought 10:23 -!- puck1 has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.0-dev] 10:24 -!- bouquet has joined #hardfought 10:29 DIED: Raisse (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 949 points, 1999 turns, killed by a rock mole on hdf-eu 10:31 DIED: Glord (Kni-Hum-Mal-Law), 443 points, 983 turns, killed by a large kobold, while frozen by a monster's gaze on hardfought 10:31 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 10:32 QUIT: aoei (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 1146 points, 690 turns, quit on hdf-eu 10:32 K2: Tangles: Mandevil\splat: yeah, I'm not sure if I said it, but I appreciate what you guys have all done. This tournament I have really tried to give it a serious go (unlike earlier years), being the possibly last time and all, and it has been fun overall :) 10:34 good you enjoyed it. 10:39 I like the sillier trophy titles. the challenges are fun too 10:39 i would murder ten human babies for a curses inter-MORE- 10:39 face 10:40 shpingrlde: I have been doing some work on it recently 10:40 the goal is to make it robust enough, and stable and nice, to submit to the devteam as a windowport 10:41 what I've been doing lately is switch to the libuncursed library, the same one NH4 uses 10:42 to get a more compatible environment overall (libuncursed generally works much better in that regard) 10:43 for example: I can now use IBMgraphics in it, without having had to tinker with my terminal at all 10:43 and it no longer breaks horribly in watchmode 10:43 or ttyrecs 10:43 very welcome FIQ and thanks for your help as well 10:43 fantastic. nethack is pretty awful with only one message line (for me) 10:44 have you played dnethack w/curses UI? 10:44 DIED: tilia (Pri-Elf-Fem-Cha), 1160 points, 2361 turns, killed by a pony on hardfought 10:44 yeah 10:45 it's a huge improvement if it works (I had one terminal at one point that made it unusable, so for some time I was using the ttyrec windowport... which is even more painful in dnethack due to it having a lot more msgspam) 10:45 shpingrlde: how did you like it 10:46 was there something major you were missing in it 10:46 compared to the NitroHack interface 10:46 it 10:46 it was solid, I don't think I had any trouble with 10:46 cool 10:46 that was in jnh mostly 10:52 CHALLENGE ACCEPTED! Glord accepted the Pac-Man challenge. 10:56 -!- raisse\splat has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:02 [06nh4] Nobbs (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 55436 points, T:9734, killed by a giant mummy 11:08 -!- dave____ has joined #hardfought 11:12 DIED: tilia (Pri-Elf-Fem-Cha), 890 points, 1944 turns, killed by a gnome lord on hardfought 11:16 DIED: tilia (Pri-Elf-Fem-Cha), 381 points, 783 turns, killed by an acid blob on hardfought 11:18 DIED: eitwinston (Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu), 3884 points, 5738 turns, killed by a soldier ant on hardfought 11:22 Does anyone know how is the ordering on https://www.hardfought.org/devnull/players.html calculated? 11:39 Looks like ascensions dave____ 11:40 I assume "ties" are ranked by first come first serve 11:53 -!- hpardis has joined #hardfought 12:03 DIED: Glord (Wiz-Gno-Mal-Neu), 143 points, 378 turns, killed by a bat on hardfought 12:03 -!- Porkman has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:05 -!- mcnick has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:07 -!- mcnick has joined #hardfought 12:08 -!- Haudegen has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:22 DIED: Webmant (Rog-Orc-Mal-Cha), 492 points, 1798 turns, killed by a giant bat on hardfought 12:22 should be arranged by score tbh 12:25 looks like everyone switched from nethack to dnethack now 12:31 -!- raisse\splat has joined #hardfought 12:31 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse\splat] by ChanServ 12:33 DIED: Webmant (Rog-Orc-Mal-Cha), 344 points, 1219 turns, killed by a sewer rat on hardfought 12:35 -!- Porkman has joined #hardfought 12:36 bug_sniper: "dn36" is devnull-3.6.0, I got confused by that too 12:36 -!- ririr_ has joined #hardfought 12:36 hello 12:36 Hello ririr_, Welcome to #hardfought 12:37 -!- puck1 has joined #hardfought 12:37 i have some questions 12:37 ^^ 12:38 -!- StatueSurfer has joined #hardfought 12:39 -!- ririr_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:40 -!- ririr_ has joined #hardfought 12:43 hi 12:43 Hello ririr_, Welcome to #hardfought 12:43 -!- ririr_ has left #hardfought 12:43 that's a bot 12:44 we've had that kind of bot before 12:45 (not in this channel though) 12:55 What's the point of it? 12:55 Was is going to ask us for our social security numbers or something? 12:56 I don't think it has a point, it's just someone's idea of fun 12:57 ah 12:57 like someone's simple coding experiment 12:57 or project rather 13:00 QUIT: Luxidream (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 2900 points, 2621 turns, quit on hardfought 13:01 -!- Tarmunoraway is now known as Tarmunora 13:03 -!- Crawlmobile has joined #hardfought 13:04 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Such a long bundle!] 13:05 -!- Jendic has joined #hardfought 13:07 -!- rikersan has joined #hardfought 13:08 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #hardfought 13:08 -!- elenmirie\splat has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:08 -!- elenmirie_ is now known as elenmirie\splat 13:12 -!- rikersan has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 13:14 DIED: Luxidream (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 2978 points, 1453 turns, killed by a bolt of lightning on hardfought 13:15 DIED: winny (Bar-Orc-Mal-Cha), 1481 points, 2071 turns, killed by a warhorse, while sleeping on hardfought 13:26 -!- StatueSurfer has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:30 DIED: Luxidream (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 3986 points, 1453 turns, killed by a dagger on hardfought 13:38 -!- hpardis has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:43 DIED: Luxidream (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 10012 points, 2153 turns, killed by a raven on hardfought 13:45 -!- Tariru_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:50 DIED: Luxidream (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 7197 points, 889 turns, killed by a raven on hardfought 13:50 Poor Luxidream... 13:51 nibbled to death by ravens 13:51 pls nerf 13:51 I don't have that power 13:51 just kiddin 13:52 lemme smash 14:03 I don't have an unique death to ravens yet 14:06 DIED: Luxidream (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 2008 points, 1102 turns, killed by a fire ant, while frozen by a potion on hardfought 14:08 -!- hpardis has joined #hardfought 14:13 -!- puck1 has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.0-dev] 14:15 DIED: Luxidream (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 932 points, 401 turns, killed by a gnome lord on hardfought 14:19 DIED: Luxidream (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 485 points, 485 turns, killed by a gnome, while reading a book on hardfought 14:19 DIED: tilia (Pri-Elf-Fem-Cha), 3660 points, 6355 turns, killed by a dwarf on hardfought 14:26 DIED: Luxidream (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 5631 points, 1274 turns, killed by a winter wolf on hardfought 14:32 DIED: Luxidream (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 1091 points, 1072 turns, killed by a gnome on hardfought 14:36 DIED: Glord (Wiz-Orc-Mal-Cha), 69 points, 224 turns, killed by a falling rock on hardfought 14:38 -!- fatty has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:43 -!- Haudegen has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 14:48 DIED: Glord (Wiz-Gno-Mal-Neu), 852 points, 1091 turns, killed by a rothe on hardfought 14:52 -!- Crawlmobile is now known as Crawldragon 14:53 DIED: Luxidream (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 15353 points, 1295 turns, killed by a minotaur on hardfought 15:00 DIED: Luxidream (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 102 points, 304 turns, killed by an exploding chest on hardfought 15:08 CHALLENGE ACCEPTED! Glord accepted the Dig-Dug challenge. 15:19 succubi can undress ponies? 15:19 kinky 15:20 DIED: Glord (Wiz-Gno-Mal-Neu), 1657 points, 3315 turns, killed by an imp, while praying on hardfought 15:31 [07nd] Menche (Kni Hum Mal Law), 2370 points, T:1237, killed by a black pudding 15:31 ☹ 15:34 -!- aoei\splat has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:37 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 15:40 -!- rikersan has joined #hardfought 15:46 DIED: Jendic (Val-Hum-Mal-Law), 1119764 points, 50224 turns, killed by the high priestess of Moloch on hardfought 15:47 TROPHY: Jendic just earned the Bronze Star 15:58 DIED: Glord (Wiz-Gno-Mal-Neu), 744 points, 1132 turns, killed by a kitten on hardfought 16:02 DIED: Glord (Wiz-Gno-Mal-Neu), 285 points, 649 turns, killed by a werejackal on hardfought 16:06 -!- raisse\splat has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:08 &lastgame Jendic 16:08 https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/J/Jendic/dn36/dumplog/1510434483.dn36.txt 16:10 -!- rikersan has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 16:15 -!- rikersan has joined #hardfought 16:20 -!- Tariru has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:20 QUIT: Glord (Wiz-Gno-Mal-Neu), 1068 points, 1825 turns, quit on hardfought 16:24 -!- StatueSurfer has joined #hardfought 16:28 -!- StatueSurfer has quit [Client Quit] 16:44 -!- Jendic has quit [Quit: *poof*] 16:46 -!- rikersan has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:52 so I decided to do something about deaths to very-early-game traps 16:52 that's more interesting than removing them 16:53 for traps that can actually kill you on dlvl 1 (other than regular pits, which I don't think do enough damage?) I've put adventurer corpses in them, so that you can tell at range (farlook) that the trap is there before you step in it 16:54 also a "miniature bones pile" consisting of one cursed item that's likely to be very low value, to keep your pet safe too :-) 16:54 if anyone wants to complain, now would be a good time 16:54 -!- HTTPS has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:54 interesting 16:55 -!- tacco\unfoog has quit [] 16:55 right, I thought it'd make more sense than just removing the trap 16:55 and add some more flavour 16:56 What's the lowest starting hp you can roll? 16:58 Not sure, something in the single digits I think. 16:59 -!- HTTPS has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:59 IIRC it's on Wizard, or Tourist if you want to start without MR 17:00 (I know this from the turn 0 death thing) 17:00 no, Tou full stop, at 10 17:00 I was wondering if you could prevent early death traps just by tweaking falling rock damage, removing poison instadeath from certain traps, tweaking what levels certain traps are generated on, etc 17:00 Wiz and Rog can start at 11 17:01 Hea at 12 17:01 it's complex because your starting HP is a function of role and race 17:01 and not all role/race combinations are legal 17:01 I haven't done anything about poison instadeath yet (except indirectly from dlvl 1 dart traps, although how often does *that* case happen?) 17:02 ais523: what is an item that is likely to be very low value 17:02 examples? 17:03 aosdict: rocks 17:03 well when he said a miniature bones pile, I wasn't thinking rocks 17:03 Heh. 17:03 aosdict: it's implemented as a random cursed weapon, comestible, food, or gem 17:03 "random" in the sense of using the level's normal generation probabilities 17:03 also it can't be an artifact 17:03 Ah. 17:04 aw I was just about to say something something Grayswandir 17:04 early artifacts are trap enough by themselves :-D 17:04 ais523: are you planning on moving this through devteam internal discussion or doing it unilaterally? 17:05 I just did it unilaterally 17:05 I think we've discovered that internal discussion doesn't actually work 17:05 people normally don't reply 17:05 so paxed and I have sort-of got into an escalating war of unilateral changes… 17:08 that reminds me, I was going to write some design docs for potential 3.7 (or even 4.0) changes which are so out there that I'd definitely want to get permission first 17:09 -!- hpardis has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:12 -!- rikersan has joined #hardfought 17:13 Seems to me using the 4.0 version number for vanilla could get confusing, might be better to skip it and go to 5.0 17:13 Though 3.7 should be ok. 17:14 Or you could go all Firefox just bump the version number up every five to seven days whether there are any new features or not. 17:15 -!- rikersan has quit [Client Quit] 17:15 (That last was a joke. Please don't actually do that.) 17:18 -!- hpardis has joined #hardfought 17:18 -!- Haudegen has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:21 we could just jump to 5 :-P 17:22 DIED: jonathanhanes (Hea-Gno-Mal-Neu), 597 points, 1464 turns, killed by a werejackal on hardfought 17:22 the next nethack version should be 47.0 17:24 DIED: jonathanhanes (Hea-Gno-Mal-Neu), 10 points, 48 turns, killed by a fox on hardfought 17:25 jonadab: what would your reaction be if I said 17:25 NetHack Quantum 17:25 New Nethack (TM) 17:26 -!- HTTPS has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:26 And then New Nethack Plus 17:26 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/47_(number) 17:26 Then μNethack 17:26 MU? 17:27 aosdict: is that the new name of your variant? 17:27 So people get confused with unNethack 17:27 oh, moon! 17:27 new moon? 17:27 * jonadab reads that as "microNetHack" 17:27 But NetHack already runs just fine on microcomputers. 17:28 Hardly anybody plays it on mainframes anymore. 17:29 -!- Tarmunora_ has joined #hardfought 17:30 jonadab: no, I was drawing out the Firefox analogy 17:30 I think I will stick with xNetHack for the foreseeable future. 17:31 X NetHack is already a version, though (it's one of the vanilla windowports, but acts differently enough from tty that it tends to be named as such in package managers) 17:31 last time I looked at it, it sucked, but paxed's been doing a lot of work on it recently so maybe it's decent now? 17:32 mm, for it to actually be a problematic conflict means that I will have quite a lot of people playing it, kind of like where FIQ is now 17:33 -!- Tarmunora has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:33 aosdict: I don't think there are any other variants that have accidentally been called FIQhack :-) 17:33 so for the foreseeable future, I think it' fine :) 17:33 but right, it wouldn't be all that confusing, I imagine 17:33 it's* 17:37 Oh shit, I just named a variant FIQhack. No idea how that happened! 17:37 by the way, if you have other ideas for "thing I think should probably be added to vanilla" but don't want to implement it unilaterally, well that is sort of the entire purpose of xnethack 17:38 not at the moment, of course, but in the long run 17:38 * jonadab contemplates forking FIQHack and naming the fork FIIQHack. Because the roman numeral II means successor, if you squint just right. 17:38 so it will eventually turn into slex? 17:39 you mean squiint? 17:39 Heh. 17:39 elenmirie\splat: well except for the part where it gets reset to vanilla from time to time 17:39 lol 17:40 Also the part where its idea of balance isn't fundamentally based on the principle that if a sufficiently skilled player can reliably win, that's unbalanced. 17:40 yes! 17:41 jonadab: that's hardly fair, there's only one variant that *is* based on that 17:41 you could make a case for Spork being intended to be balanced like that? 17:41 although it takes less drastic measures when people win 17:41 or grunt? 17:41 maybe? not played much spork 17:41 elenmirie\splat: grunthack wasn't designed with balance in mind 17:41 actually, I've never played spork. 17:42 it was aiming for extra realism and to avoid making the game arbitrarily harder 17:42 and then gave up in horror when it realised what it had become 17:42 ais523: grunt or spork? 17:42 grunthack is only half implemented... and yes, you're probably right about not balanced, more about neat ideas 17:43 aosdict: everything after I said "grunthack" was referring to grunthack 17:44 and it really did make me laugh... true it is! 17:45 "gave up in horror." yep 17:45 I feel like things like implementing the beholder were not introduced with "avoid making it arbitrarily harder" in mind 17:46 beholder is just a nasty monster 17:46 that can spawn at difficulty, what, 6? 17:46 what about zombies? 17:47 there's a reason that K2 agonized over that change for so long 17:47 if you have a blindfold you can get rid of that problem 17:47 aosdict: the beholder is a deferred vanilla feature, isn't it? 17:47 yes 17:47 zombies... eh you could defend them with the realism argument. 17:48 K2 is the grunthack expert, and taught me everything I know about beholders. BUT... I've ascended grunt a couple of times and beholders are manageable 17:48 The balance issues with zombies in Grunt, though, are not just because of realism. 17:49 before the change. 17:50 ais523: if the beholder was just uncommented (which it might be? vanilla's looks like that), then it's not a Grunt problem, it's the fact that beholders would make the game arbitrarily harder if introduced to vanilla. 17:51 beholders are just bizarre, though, even in D&D 17:51 if everyone was as spoiled about grunt beholders as they were about vanilla 343, there would be people saying they're not hard enough. 17:54 -!- StatueSurfer has joined #hardfought 17:55 -!- hpardis has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:11 -!- Kontroll1r has joined #hardfought 18:14 -!- Kontroller has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:16 Wait, does autosearching not do standard 1-radius blind searches? YANI: it should do this! 18:17 -!- fatty has joined #hardfought 18:18 if you dont hear from me in about 12 hrs from now, call 911 18:18 because i will not have awoken from the food coma 18:18 errrrmahgerd i am so stuffed 18:29 -!- Kontroll1r has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:31 -!- HTTPS has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 18:35 K2: I'm not convinced that that'd work, I have no idea who you are or where you live, and the emergency number in Europe is 112 anyway 18:35 (although it wouldn't surprise me if 911 actually worked because what else would it do?) 18:35 it's the thought and effort that counts ;) 18:35 i should have walked away from desert 18:36 ais523: thanksgiving in the US. Think K2 lives in Vermont. 18:36 but i wasn't strong enough to say no 18:36 you could ask someone who lives nearby if you're concerned? 18:36 aosdict: right, it's hard to miss thanksgiving 18:36 mostly because in the UK, a number of retailers are still desperately trying to make black friday happen here 18:36 my dry sense of humor may be too dry this evening 18:37 aosdict: yup vermont 18:39 what we (wife and kid and I) have done for past few years is a 'friendsgiving' that one of our close friends puts on every turkey day 18:39 and then we'll go see family for the remainder of the long weekend 18:39 something I was discussing in another channel but didn't get a satisfactory answer: how does Thanksgiving differ from Christmas? they seem like very similar holidays 18:40 honestly, if you really think about it - thanksgiving is christmas minus the gifts 18:40 and slight variantion on the menu 18:40 and then of course if you're religious (christian) there's that whole aspect of christmas also 18:41 oh, I somehow assumed that thanksgiving had the gifts too 18:41 * K2 isn't religious 18:41 but secular christmas and religious christmas have become mostly entirely separate in the UK 18:41 there isn't really a link between them 18:42 for one thing, the secular version tends to start in october or sometimes even september, at least as far as retailers are concerned 18:42 that's becoming the trend here also 18:42 shops already have xmas decorations up before halloween 18:42 right, they had to take a break from christmas for a few days for halloween 18:43 and then went back to christmas 18:43 (although bonfire night / guy fawkes night also serves as a useful distraction when shops want something seasonal to do; they all sell fireworks then because it's one of the only times of year they're legal) 18:44 technically thanksgiving is to celebrate the first successful harvest, but no one here really focuses on that at all 18:44 its just a time for family to get together and give thanks for what they have 18:44 the UK equivalent is Harvest Festival which celebrates the end of the harvesting for the year, but it's really different in nature 18:44 and only really observed by schools and churches 18:44 it's basically morphed into a festival for teaching children about where food comes from 18:45 ah 18:46 there's a very plausible theory that Harvest Festival became a lot less relevant when the combine harvester was invented 18:46 well regardless, it's a good excuse to gather with friends and stuff your face with good food 18:46 because you no longer needed to celebrate the end of weeks of work which involved basically everyone, trying to get the harvest in on time 18:46 right, makes sense 18:46 my buddy Noel got a 40 lbs turkey this year... hah 18:46 there's soooo much left over 18:48 and I am thankful for not having to work on thanksgiving for the first time in 5 yrs 18:49 hope everyone else had/is having a good thanksgiving (those that are celebrating it today) 18:49 hmm, it's not even thursday any more over here in the UK, but it's interesting thinking of things to be thankful about anyway 18:50 agreed 18:50 (something else I learned looking up about Thanksgiving: in Canada, they celebrate it in October, and the theory is that this is because the winters are longer/colder in Canada so the harvest has to be brought in earlier) 18:51 and Canada's thankgiving pre-dates the United States 18:52 by 40ish some odd years I think 18:52 when you live in Europe, it's easy to forget how new the US is as a country 18:54 what's the saying? Americans think 100 years is a long time, Britons think 100 miles is a long distance, something like that? 18:54 (and is "Briton" even the correct word??) 18:54 heh sounds about right 18:55 I normally hear it with 1000, but much the right idea 18:55 and "Briton" is technically correct, I think? but rarely used 18:55 "Brit" is heard more commonly but it's informal 18:56 that said, a 100-mile journey is something that I'll prepare for but I don't consider it ridiculously long, at least not by train or car 18:56 ASCENDED: bebing (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 3541062 points, 51623 turns, ascended on hardfought https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/b/bebing/dn36/dumplog/1510751485.dn36.txt 18:56 a lot can happen in a hundred miles though 18:56 now, /walking/ 100 miles, that would be another matter 18:57 and doing it by bus is the sort of thing that only crazy people like me do 18:57 (I've done a bus journey in the 100-200 mile range before now but it took all day, something like 9½ hours I think?) 18:58 TROPHY: bebing now holds the Basic Extinct 18:58 TROPHY: bebing just earned the Birdie (with bells on!) and Birdie 19:00 huh. I expect a 200 mile bus trip to take a few hours 19:00 3-4 hours or so 19:01 aosdict: that's because where you are, the bus goes across open countryside and doesn't stop along the way, right? 19:01 in the UK, a bus would be trying to cater for a lot of journeys at once, and so it'd go right into the heart of every major city on the way 19:02 that adds a huge length of time just getting in and out through traffic congestion 19:02 mhm 19:04 I just checked, if you're going straight down a motorway that mostly bypasses major cities, you can do 200 miles in 3½ hours here 19:04 that is, nonstop 19:04 (that's measured starting from just outside London and going north until you've reached the 200 miles) 19:04 going through cities really hurts, though, or areas without good roads 19:07 for comparison, I just did Birmingham coach station to Coventry coach station to Leicester coach station (i.e. the sort of journey that a bus would make going city to city); that's 44 miles but takes 1½ horus 19:07 so it's over hlf as slow 19:07 err, half as fast 19:09 and that's assuming you start at 3am (i.e. the time now) 19:29 DIED: bebing (Ran-Hum-Fem-Neu), 828 points, 1425 turns, killed by a bolt of lightning on hardfought 19:32 -!- HTTPS has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:33 DIED: k2 (Sam-Hum-Mal-Law), 78219 points, 19539 turns, killed by a death ray on hardfought 19:34 fuck 19:34 yikes 19:34 &lastgame 19:34 https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/k/k2/dn36/dumplog/1511445630.dn36.txt 19:34 i cant catch a fucking break lol 19:35 No MR or reflection :( 19:36 nope 19:45 -!- bobbydurrett has joined #hardfought 19:47 DIED: k2 (Sam-Hum-Mal-Law), 1750 points, 1544 turns, killed by a rabid rat on hardfought 19:59 DIED: tilia (Pri-Elf-Fem-Cha), 1304 points, 3855 turns, killed by a housecat on hardfought 20:10 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1] 20:26 DIED: k2 (Sam-Hum-Mal-Law), 4970 points, 3638 turns, killed by a soldier ant on hardfought 20:36 DIED: bebing (Ran-Hum-Fem-Neu), 2452 points, 4146 turns, killed by a priest of Venus on hardfought 21:05 -!- hpardis has joined #hardfought 21:12 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #hardfought 21:12 -!- StatueSurfer has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:14 -!- elenmirie\splat has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:14 -!- elenmirie_ is now known as elenmirie\splat 21:14 DIED: tilia (Pri-Elf-Fem-Cha), 1575 points, 3307 turns, killed by a rothe on hardfought 21:19 -!- bobbydurrett has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:21 DIED: bebing (Ran-Hum-Fem-Neu), 1213 points, 2839 turns, killed by a bolt of lightning on hardfought 21:30 DIED: k2 (Sam-Hum-Mal-Law), 19831 points, 6880 turns, killed by an ettin mummy on hardfought 21:40 -!- ais523 has quit [Quit: sorry for my connection] 21:59 -!- StatueSurfer has joined #hardfought 22:37 DIED: buffy (Cav-Dwa-Fem-Law), 1290 points, 2533 turns, killed by a poisonous corpse on altorg 22:48 -!- deadnoob has joined #hardfought 22:54 DIED: k2 (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 5121 points, 3778 turns, poisoned by a vampire bat on hardfought 23:00 DIED: buffy (Cav-Dwa-Fem-Law), 888 points, 2830 turns, killed by a pony on altorg 23:03 -!- raisse\splat has joined #hardfought 23:03 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse\splat] by ChanServ 23:07