00:01 unicorns are jerks 00:02 DIED: Tangles (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 3386 points, 2338 turns, killed by a white unicorn on hdf-au 00:09 !tell ais523 while I don't really know the windowing system well enough to confidently implement submenu handling or similar, what I could do is to implement it "by hand" from a higher level, would that be crazy? 00:09 Will do, FIQ! 00:10 -!- mcnick has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:19 [06nh4] Prometheus (Uirusu3301) (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 15461 points, T:565, escaped 00:20 DIED: buffy (Cav-Dwa-Fem-Law), 1701 points, 5156 turns, poisoned by a killer bee on altorg 00:25 CHALLENGE IGNORED! Kontroller ignored the ZAPM challenge. 00:34 [06nh4] Athena (Uirusu3301) (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 8760 points, T:330, killed by a grid bug 00:35 "You start digging. You hit the rock with all your might. It explodes! You seem unaffected by it. You make an opening in the wall." 00:36 Wow... I was trying to hit it hard but didn't think that I'd hit it THAT hard 00:37 lol 00:37 that sounds like a really cool artifact pickaxe, Grasshopper . yani ^ 00:38 DIED: Raisse (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 7963 points, 9471 turns, killed by a soldier ant on hdf-eu 00:38 but it completely negates arc stealth 00:38 ooh 00:38 gotta love finding a wizzard's bones with magicbane 00:38 maybe it'd make more sense as a hammer 00:40 -!- hf_guest has joined #hardfought 00:40 -!- hf_guest is now known as Luxidream 00:47 ooh, gotta love leaving double bones 00:50 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 00:50 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grassy] by ChanServ 00:53 rip deadnoob 00:53 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:53 such a good name though 00:54 -!- Grassy is now known as Grasshopper 00:54 idk 00:55 I feel like 'alivenoob' would be better for your health 00:55 but that's just me 00:56 dunno, "deadnoob" is kinda timeless. I mean you could be really experienced by still call yourself deadnoob 00:57 by/but 00:57 suspect someone already taken "deadmeat" on NAO at least 00:57 hm, I have a deep distrust of people calling themselves noob 00:58 yes, it could be a deception 00:58 real newbies probably don't know the slang variant :-) 00:59 some of these terms are fairly generic across gaming platforms 00:59 [06nh4] phrackus (Uirusu3301) (Mon Hum Fem Cha), 13848 points, T:1227, killed by a gas cloud 01:07 DIED: Raisse (Arc-Dwa-Fem-Law), 718 points, 795 turns, killed by a rothe on hdf-eu 01:08 DIED: Kontroller (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 12731 points, 7961 turns, killed by a bolt of fire on hdf-eu 01:14 [12slex] Uirusu3301 (Lad Yok Mal Law), 25 points, T:148, killed by a monster (luminescent stalk) 01:21 -!- Luxidream has quit [Quit: *poof*] 01:28 CHALLENGE ACCEPTED! Luxidream accepted the Dig-Dug challenge. 01:36 -!- raisse\splat has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 01:44 -!- raisse\splat has joined #hardfought 01:44 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse\splat] by ChanServ 01:49 DIED: FIQ (Arc-Dwa-Mal-Law), 934 points, 1359 turns, poisoned by a rabid rat on hdf-eu 01:50 Tangles: apparently you can teleport pookas outside the challenge area which makes them unreachable 01:50 10/10 design, would digdug again 01:57 FIQ: I also give them a 10/10 for not using the (already existing!) method of restricting the portal to a sane area :P 02:03 CHALLENGE IGNORED! Luxidream ignored the Dig-Dug challenge. 02:12 DIED: FIQ (Arc-Dwa-Mal-Law), 759 points, 1470 turns, killed by an iguana on hdf-eu 02:14 LarienTelrunya: ? 02:14 There are restrictions on placement? 02:14 no, they can place you right next to a pooka with no way to get out other than digging, and he will take all your lives, which would not happen if the portal were restricted to the area where you can get that first wand! 02:15 does the original digdug game place you right in one of the cubbyholes on level start? no! :P 02:16 DIED: FIQ (Arc-Dwa-Mal-Law), 4 points, 21 turns, killed by a newt on hdf-eu 02:16 DIED: Raisse (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 1622 points, 2785 turns, killed by a cave spider on hdf-eu 02:16 it's also the reason I couldn't complete digdug: because I spawned next to a pooka with no way to kill him or get away 02:21 YASI: make a complete digdug branch, complete with a kill screen if you reach a certain depth 02:23 [07nd] mahershalal (Ran Orc Fem Cha), 1206 points, T:5566, killed by a raven 02:24 DIED: Raisse (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 412 points, 1032 turns, killed by a kitten on hdf-eu 02:26 DIED: FIQ (Arc-Dwa-Mal-Law), 684 points, 1686 turns, killed by a homunculus, while sleeping on hdf-eu 02:28 DIED: FIQ (Arc-Dwa-Mal-Law), 136 points, 266 turns, killed by a water demon on hdf-eu 02:30 DIED: FIQ (Arc-Dwa-Mal-Law), 26 points, 113 turns, killed by sipping boiling water on hdf-eu 02:36 DIED: dgoddard (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Cha), 469064 points, 32434 turns, killed by a shade on hardfought 02:37 DIED: Raisse (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 2593 points, 3827 turns, killed by a fire ant on hdf-eu 02:38 TROPHY: dgoddard just earned the Brass Star 02:41 -!- raisse\splat has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:45 -!- katung has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:57 DIED: FIQ (Arc-Dwa-Mal-Law), 788 points, 3290 turns, killed by a fall onto poison spikes on hdf-eu 03:00 -!- aoei has joined #hardfought 03:00 -!- aoei is now known as aoei\splat 03:02 probably the first time I'm happy to see that death 03:07 DIED: FIQ (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 0 points, 33 turns, petrified by a cockatrice egg, while getting stoned on hdf-eu 03:08 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:11 I just realised I got past Vlads and the quest and still haven't got me some sleep resist 03:19 "You make a light in the darkness; it doesn't last very long ..." 03:19 what did I do 03:30 ignite a fart? 03:32 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 03:32 -!- puck1 has joined #hardfought 03:36 rubbed a gray stone against a tin 03:36 no idea why it did taht 03:37 DIED: FIQ (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 2182 points, 3122 turns, shot himself with a death ray on hdf-eu 03:43 DIED: FIQ (Arc-Dwa-Mal-Law), 298 points, 515 turns, killed by a newt, while frozen by a monster's gaze on hdf-eu 03:45 DIED: FIQ (Arc-Dwa-Mal-Law), 317 points, 321 turns, killed by a homunculus on hdf-eu 03:50 DIED: FIQ (Arc-Dwa-Mal-Law), 473 points, 444 turns, killed by a rothe on hdf-eu 03:52 -!- Haudegen has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:57 DIED: FIQ (Arc-Dwa-Mal-Law), 421 points, 587 turns, killed by an exploding rune on hdf-eu 04:07 hi 04:07 Hello K2, Welcome to #hardfought 04:07 K2: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2017-11-20 02:05 EST: hmm, apparently slex has weird crashes on hardfought... loli says that he has a reproducible crash, and I'd like to test that myself, can you copy the dolores savegame to AmyBSOD (i.e. if it's 1003dolores, rename a copy of that to 1003AmyBSOD so I can test it) please? ;) 04:07 K2: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2017-11-20 02:08 EST: actually, loli will have to save the game first to make it into an actual savegame again; currently there's probably level files in the playground 04:07 K2: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2017-11-20 02:09 EST: okay he saved, so there should be a 1003dolores savegame now 04:09 LarienTelrunya see pm 04:19 K2: if you are sharing the save, I don't think LarienTelrunya uses linux 04:19 (and NH3 saves are platform-dependant) 04:19 i'm convincing her to start learning to use linux 04:19 ahh 04:19 nice 04:19 probability of success: unknown 04:20 haha 04:22 the "copy savegame file to other account" method is really elegant though, as long as the server administrator is responsible enough to not allow players to "cheat" that way ;) in this case the purpose of it clearly is bug-hunting, I'd certainly not claim an ascension if I somehow ascended this test game (which I won't, anyway :D) 04:23 * K2 is not comfortable with that method 04:23 one time only 04:23 -!- raisse\splat has joined #hardfought 04:23 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse\splat] by ChanServ 04:24 K2 confirmed corrupt admin 04:24 how does Chris_ANG handle such cases, if they crop up in dnethack? does he run the save locally with linux? 04:25 for me on esm, it's standard fare that if someone gets a savegame with a reproducible crash, that I'll transfer it to my "BSOD2" test account to see what triggers the bug 04:26 DIED: FIQ (Arc-Dwa-Mal-Law), 535 points, 490 turns, killed by Dirk, the shopkeeper on hdf-eu 04:30 HoB and speed boots on dlvl3, heh 04:39 DIED: FIQ (Arc-Dwa-Mal-Law), 597 points, 963 turns, killed by a priestess of Huhetotl on hdf-eu 04:46 -!- noty has joined #hardfought 04:57 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Page closed] 05:00 DIED: Tangles (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 7740 points, 6643 turns, killed by a giant mimic on hdf-au 05:05 -!- firemonkey\splat has joined #hardfought 05:08 !tell LarienTelrunya linux virtual machine. Oracle virtual box plus Lubuntu worked best for me so far. 05:08 Chris_ANG: Message from FIQ at 2017-11-19 13:33 EST: ^ 05:08 Chris_ANG: Message from FIQ at 2017-11-19 13:33 EST: it would be nice if you could check container BUC in dnethack by dropping the container on an altar 05:08 Will do, Chris_ANG! 05:15 DIED: FIQ (Arc-Dwa-Mal-Law), 85 points, 44 turns, killed by a jackal on hdf-eu 05:18 DIED: FIQ (Arc-Dwa-Mal-Law), 294 points, 363 turns, killed by a giant bat on hdf-eu 05:20 DIED: Tangles (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 86 points, 105 turns, killed by a jackal on hdf-au 05:26 DIED: FIQ (Arc-Dwa-Mal-Law), 723 points, 798 turns, killed by sitting on an iron spike on hdf-eu 05:35 DIED: FIQ (Arc-Dwa-Mal-Law), 719 points, 602 turns, killed by an orcish arrow, while praying on hdf-eu 05:38 DIED: Tangles (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 1743 points, 1160 turns, killed by a dagger on hdf-au 05:43 DIED: FIQ (Arc-Dwa-Mal-Law), 383 points, 670 turns, killed by a water moccasin on hdf-eu 05:48 -!- StinkyGreene has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:49 DIED: FIQ (Arc-Dwa-Mal-Law), 394 points, 624 turns, killed by a watchman on hdf-eu 05:51 DIED: FIQ (Arc-Dwa-Mal-Law), 350 points, 192 turns, killed by a coyote on hdf-eu 05:57 DIED: FIQ (Arc-Dwa-Mal-Law), 476 points, 544 turns, killed by a bat on hdf-eu 05:58 DIED: Tangles (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 731 points, 1045 turns, killed by a pony, while praying on hdf-au 05:59 DIED: FIQ (Arc-Dwa-Mal-Law), 245 points, 93 turns, killed by a giant bat on hdf-eu 06:01 Chris_ANG: do you have any artifacts that cause explosions on-hit yet? 06:02 Several 06:03 If you want to find them in artilist.h, look for variations of "SPFX2_FIRE" 06:04 -!- raisse\splat has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:04 cool 06:05 I'd really like to play dnethack, but I'm a really slow player. and it's hard to go from NH4 to NH3 in general 06:05 I mean, I've played dnh, but not enough 06:06 invariably in the handful of runs that started going well, I came back after a break and forgot about the buff to shop Kops 06:07 lol, I have a similar problem with finishing games. 06:08 saved games: a - Foff Wiz-elf-fem-cha Exp:23, 66580 turns, on Dungeons:10 06:08 one of my pre-junethack FH games 06:08 -!- puck1 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:09 Eventually Someday right 06:09 -!- raisse\splat has joined #hardfought 06:09 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse\splat] by ChanServ 06:10 -!- HTTPS has quit [] 06:15 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/User:Chris/dNetHack/Items#Changes_to_armor <- dnh's main page links to this, but that #changes jump point doesn't exist anymore 06:16 -!- lorimer has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:17 -!- lorimer has joined #hardfought 06:17 -!- puck1 has joined #hardfought 06:18 DIED: Tangles (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 1168 points, 1542 turns, killed by a gnome lord on hdf-au 06:19 DIED: Raisse (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 15955 points, 9727 turns, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted ogre on hdf-eu 06:25 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 06:25 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grassy] by ChanServ 06:27 DIED: Tangles (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 400 points, 438 turns, killed by a gnome on hdf-au 06:29 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:32 DIED: FIQ (Arc-Dwa-Mal-Law), 1809 points, 3001 turns, killed by a hill orc on hdf-eu 06:32 ffs 06:32 I had levi 06:34 DIED: Tangles (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 691 points, 617 turns, killed by a gnome on hdf-au 06:35 FIQ: the "light in the darkness, it doesn't last very long" is rubbing flint and iron together 06:36 ahh 06:36 it's an artifact of the grue challenge 06:36 so you can use-ID flint now 06:36 in 3.6 06:36 good to know 06:36 oh, it's grue-specific? 06:36 huh 06:36 yeah 06:41 DIED: FIQ (Arc-Dwa-Mal-Law), 1002 points, 1012 turns, killed by a giant spider on hdf-eu 06:44 -!- StinkyGreene has joined #hardfought 06:49 DIED: FIQ (Arc-Dwa-Mal-Law), 526 points, 530 turns, killed by a bolt of cold on hdf-eu 06:49 -!- Grassy has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 06:56 -!- Bugpowder has joined #hardfought 06:56 [10fh] Satochi IX (puck) (Sam Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed fixed +3 Frost Brand", on T:22992 06:58 [10fh] Satochi IX (puck) (Sam Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed magic mirror of merlin", on T:23000 07:00 [10fh] Satochi IX (puck) (Sam Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased +3 silver dragon scale mail", on T:23000 07:02 -!- aoei\splat has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:02 DIED: FIQ (Bar-Orc-Mal-Cha), 1673 points, 1285 turns, killed by a rogue called Mandevil on hdf-eu 07:03 Mandevil\splat: pls no kill 07:03 [10fh] Satochi IX (puck) (Sam Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased +3 cloak of displacement", on T:23015 07:06 FIQ: ? 07:06 my death 07:06 [10fh] Satochi IX (puck) (Sam Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed magic mirror of merlin", on T:23043 07:06 Yes, but? 07:08 I assume you just named a player char? 07:09 -!- Porkman has joined #hardfought 07:09 rrrawr 07:10 Mandevil\splat: no 07:10 graveyard spawn 07:10 Ah. 07:10 you stole my unique death :P 07:10 (kind of) 07:10 only about half of the player roles count 07:10 rogues don't 07:10 -!- deadnoob has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:11 Oh, devnull silliness. 07:11 DIED: FIQ (Bar-Orc-Mal-Cha), 301 points, 355 turns, killed by axing a hard object on hdf-eu 07:12 mysterious force pls 07:12 -!- rikersan has joined #hardfought 07:12 stop dumping me next to this mind flayer 07:12 and stop keeping me hovering around level 40 07:14 DIED: FIQ (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 0 points, 40 turns, killed by an orcish dagger on hdf-eu 07:14 rikersan! 07:16 DIED: FIQ (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 10 points, 17 turns, killed by kicking something weird on hdf-eu 07:16 wtf 07:16 killed by kicking something werid 07:17 -!- firemonkey\splat has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 07:18 DIED: FIQ (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 0 points, 93 turns, zapped himself with a spell on hdf-eu 07:25 -!- joemaro has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:27 porkman: I'm alive yes 07:28 !lastgame porkman 07:28 rikersan: https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/p/porkman/dnethack/dumplog/1510857268.dnh.txt 07:36 -!- raisse\splat has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:37 DIED: tilia (Pri-Elf-Fem-Cha), 3143 points, 4498 turns, killed by a plains centaur on hardfought 07:43 -!- raisse\splat has joined #hardfought 07:43 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse\splat] by ChanServ 07:44 I love the PYEC so much 07:45 whatcha charging with it? 07:45 wands of death, rings of increase damage, my lantern 07:46 a friend of mine refuses to ascend anything but tourists, because the pyec is so fun 07:46 some variants have spellbooks of charging, for your friend 07:46 ring charging is brave stuff, aosdict :D 07:47 well, he's polypiling like a madman afaict, so it's not that bad :p 07:47 hah 07:47 I had 3 of them. Got one up to +4 and blew up the other two, decided +4 was good enough 07:47 I do fully intend to push my luck when I find another prot ring, admittedly 07:48 aosdict: watcha doing with the figurine? 07:48 I might wish for an oilskin sack just to bypass the Plane of Water 07:59 ring charging i think got fixed in DNH 07:59 as in, anything +3 is safe to charge 07:59 hmm 08:00 an incantifier tourist 08:00 i need to have fun with 08:00 DIED: tilia (Pri-Elf-Fem-Cha), 2432 points, 4169 turns, killed by a hill orc on hardfought 08:05 -!- StinkyGreene has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:07 DIED: winny (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 4072 points, 2832 turns, killed by an invisible gnome lord on hardfought 08:08 DIED: Rex (Rog-Hum-Fem-Cha), 46204 points, 15979 turns, killed by a minotaur on hdf-eu 08:09 DIED: tilia (Pri-Elf-Fem-Cha), 866 points, 2168 turns, killed by a gnome lord on hardfought 08:10 DIED: ian (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 180 points, 407 turns, eaten by a Grue on hardfought 08:14 -!- Bugpowder has quit [Quit: Bugpowder] 08:14 DIED: tilia (Pri-Elf-Fem-Cha), 508 points, 972 turns, killed by a giant bat on hardfought 08:22 CHALLENGE ACCEPTED! Delraven accepted the Waldo challenge. 08:25 -!- Bugpowder has joined #hardfought 08:26 Oh for goodness sake Rodney, this is the third time you've interrupted my polypiling 08:27 haha 08:28 I should really try to use these blessed scrolls of stinking cloud on Astral or somethin 08:28 g 08:29 DIED: FIQ (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 866 points, 4300 turns, killed by a falling object on hdf-eu 08:30 [13dnh] porkmantwo (Bin Inc Mal Non) wished for "blessed fireproof greased +3 ogresmasher", on T:7877 08:33 DIED: winny (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 1414 points, 1357 turns, killed by a kitten on hardfought 08:41 DIED: FIQ (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 556 points, 1254 turns, killed by a gnome, while frozen by a potion on hdf-eu 08:41 DIED: FIQ (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 4 points, 60 turns, killed by a goblin on hdf-eu 08:42 DIED: FIQ (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 0 points, 6 turns, killed by a magic missile on hdf-eu 08:43 DIED: larry (Hea-Gno-Fem-Neu), 296 points, 682 turns, killed by a giant bat on hardfought 08:47 let's do this 08:47 DIED: FIQ (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 804 points, 1246 turns, killed by bumping into a wall, while moving through the air on hdf-eu 08:47 fiq is going for uniqe deaths? 08:47 aosdict: good luck! 08:48 DIED: tilia (Pri-Elf-Fem-Cha), 1347 points, 2499 turns, killed by a giant ant on hardfought 08:49 DIED: k2 (Wiz-Hum-Fem-Cha), 45 points, 37 turns, killed by a kobold zombie on hardfought 08:49 -!- Bugpowder has quit [Quit: Bugpowder] 08:50 -!- Haudegen has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:50 ah, I love air elementals on Air getting disintegrated 08:51 DIED: k2 (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 82 points, 49 turns, killed by a sewer rat on hardfought 08:51 DIED: k2 (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 0 points, 246 turns, killed by an unsuccessful polymorph on hardfought 08:52 DIED: k2 (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 50 points, 86 turns, killed by a sewer rat on hardfought 08:54 DIED: FIQ (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 929 points, 1136 turns, killed by a giant rat, while praying on hdf-eu 09:03 CHALLENGE ACCEPTED! winny accepted the Waldo challenge. 09:06 !tell K2 pushed fixes 09:06 Will do, FIQ! 09:08 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 09:10 btw, some other devteam members don't like my !oRA buff 09:10 ais523: Message from aosdict at 2017-11-19 22:49 EST: the brass lantern isn't showing up in the list of chargeables either, for some reason. Same in 3.6.1. 09:10 ais523: Message from FIQ at 2017-11-20 03:09 EST: while I don't really know the windowing system well enough to confidently implement submenu handling or similar, what I could do is to implement it "by hand" from a higher level, would that be crazy? 09:10 ais523: reasons? 09:10 their concerns are a) people could use drain life + b!oRA to shuffle their skill points around, b) people could use it to retroactively apply Con increases 09:11 I'm arguing that neither of these are likely to be a problem in practice 09:11 I thought the retroactive Con thing was fixed 09:11 maybe that was dnethack 09:11 it applies retroactively in dnethack 09:12 also, the skill points thing could be changed so that you can't rearrange skill points like that, not sure why it was ever like that in the first place 09:12 I'm arguing that players are very unlikely to actually want to change their skilling, and if they do, it's most likely to correct a mistake/typo 09:12 you can do it with scrolls of amnesia in AceHack, nobody actually does though 09:13 no, rearranging skill points is a fairly common thing to do 09:13 to want to do* 09:13 examples? 09:13 because it means you can more recklessly invest them in the early game 09:13 I'd like to be informed wrt this debate 09:14 which roles have an early game skill that they wouldn't use late game? wizard with quarterstaff, I guess? 09:15 for example, in my current game (Tourist), I sunk points into long sword, dagger, and dart. Now I'm not using any of those, and could have used the saber+twoweapon slots earlier, if I had the ability to rearrange. 09:15 how many levels were you delayed in being able to get them both to expert? 09:15 ais523: I would argue that if anything, rearranging skills and fixing con stuff would be features 09:15 compared to when you had the experience for them? 09:15 but maybe that's just me... 09:15 it is really easy to regain the first 8 or so levels 09:16 and then quaff FH to regain half of the other lost ones 09:16 for that purpose 09:16 aosdict: also, would you have been willing to level drain yourself to 1 temporarily in order to reskill? 09:16 this is why I favor making this a beneficial effect of amnesia, so you can deliberately rearrange (at the cost of something else like spell memory) 09:16 ais523: no, because I wouldn't be able to make the levels back up 09:16 3.6.0 amnesia actually has a beneficial effect 09:16 it can make you forget spells 09:16 which no longer clears them from the spell list 09:17 it's quite marginal 09:17 allowing you to cast confuse self before T:20k 09:17 one thing I'm considering is a small maxHP penalty as a consequence of level draining, partly to nerf strategies involving repeated drain and regain (the rest of the devteam don't like those), partly to make wraiths/vampires more dangerous if you've just levelled up 09:17 ais523: 3.6.0 fixes drain for gain 09:17 aosdict: assuming you could have used a b!oRA to regain all the levels just afterwards 09:17 FIQ: I'm aware 09:17 do you know the precise details of the fix (so that I don't have to look them up)? 09:17 then something has to be done about MC or providing an easier source of drain resistance 09:18 because repeated draining and gaining back the level when you kill the draining monster is really common 09:18 Not intimately, but when I tried it in my extinctionist attempt, my max HP would never end up being increased from level up -> level down alone 09:18 (I tried like 20 times, it was the same each time) 09:18 aosdict: in general, do you believe that monsters in NetHack should not be dangerous? actually curious here, I can see an argument for it 09:19 although it's definitely a minority opinion, I'd say 09:19 So I assume it keeps track of your HP bonuses from level up 09:19 and undos them 09:19 I think Chris_ANG was exploring along those lines at one point 09:19 -!- rikersan has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 09:19 FIQ: even if you changed constitution in the meantime? 09:19 yes 09:19 I had a -3 ring of gain constitution 09:19 is the polyself bug affected the same way? 09:19 I think polyself wasn't fixed in 3.6.0 but was fixed later on 09:20 let me verify in commit logs 09:20 FIQ: why updates not automatic? 09:20 -!- rikersan has joined #hardfought 09:20 puck1: That is something you have to ask K2 09:20 presumably so that I can't introduce a security bug into NH4 or whatever and then immediately use it to hack the server 09:22 I mean, it's sandboxed 09:22 congrats asosdict 09:22 *aosdict 09:22 hmm I can't see any kind of fix for polyself into new human/whatever 09:23 let me wiztest 09:23 thank you rikersan 09:23 aw, you killed twoflower? 09:23 10 wizards of yendor 09:23 no I didn't 09:23 hm 09:23 I think that might be a devnull bug 09:23 it says vanquished so 09:23 ah 09:23 it said that for the arch priest last game 09:23 probably counts extinct things as killed when they aren't 09:24 I also extincted high priests 09:24 well, 3/3 were gen'd on astral so 09:24 I guess you techinically did 09:24 ASCENDED: aosdict (Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu), 2357666 points, 39930 turns, ascended on hardfought https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/a/aosdict/dn36/dumplog/1510583467.dn36.txt 09:24 congrats aosdict! 09:24 ais523: OK, I don't know where the codepath is, but polyself exploit isn't there anymore 09:24 I went from 36 -> 48 HP 09:24 extinct = all possible have been created, I think 09:25 from XL 1 -> 3 09:25 TROPHY: aosdict now holds the Highest Scored Tourist 09:25 TROPHY: aosdict just earned the Birdie (with bells on!) and Double Top 09:25 FIQ: probably it just uses the same formula for polyself level up that it does for regular level up, then? 09:25 extinct should be number of killed = all possible to create 09:25 that's why the Oracle is marked as extinct even if you (or your pet) didn't kill her 09:25 ais523: Probably, yeah 09:25 what, no double top bells? 09:25 what are the opinions on retroactive constitution here? 09:25 (and the equivalent for Pw?) 09:25 I like it 09:25 aosdict: you just need to gen them I think 09:26 I suggested it to Chris_ANG in first place :P 09:26 I recall people having nazgul marked as extinct despite only killing some, because all 9 were indeed generated 09:26 in dungeons and dragons, retro-Con kills are actually a viable strategy 09:26 ais523: but one thing worth having in mind is that it can potentially lead to major HP gain 09:26 if your con is, say, 4 09:26 you gain a bunch of levels 09:26 and then get it to 18 09:26 oh right I splatted some priests and wizards 09:26 because you will always gain at least 1 max HP 09:27 oh, you'd have to change that 09:27 hmm I think this is about all I will do for devnull, maybe 09:27 this is the main drawback 09:27 well, 14 -> 25 con is around the same difference, and it takes you from around 67 to 150 at level 10 iirc 09:27 s/drawback/issue/ 09:27 *77 to 150 09:27 ideally max HP would be a function of a) current con, b) current level, c) bonuses from !oFH, nurses, etc. 09:27 [06nh4] Patrick (Uirusu3301) (Bar Hum Mal Cha), 8470 points, T:689, escaped 09:27 what a weird time to escape 09:27 conduct break? 09:28 !help 09:28 ais523: https://www.hardfought.org/nethack 09:28 !lastgame 09:28 FIQ: https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/U/Uirusu3301/nethack4/dumplog/2017-11-20%2017%3A27%3A28%2C%20Patrick-Bar-Hum-Mal-Cha%2C%20escaped.txt 09:28 ugh, I forgot it'd be a link to a website 09:28 I'm at work and can't easily check 09:28 !lastgame aosdict 09:28 rikersan: https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/a/aosdict/nhdev/dumplog/1509902036.nhdev.txt 09:28 (I'm going to camp out at work tonight because the water supply to the house is under maintenance, and living without water is hard) 09:29 well what did you expect :P 09:29 rather than a website link I mean 09:29 aosdict: grats on the most recent ascension 09:29 FIQ: I forgot to expect anything 09:30 DIED: FIQ (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 892 points, 1559 turns, killed by an alchemic blast, while frozen by a potion on hdf-eu 09:30 like, if I'd thought about it at all I would have realised the mistake in my plan 09:30 but I didn't 09:30 ffs 09:30 always with the helplessness reasons messing things up 09:30 FIQ: accidental !oPara in inventory? 09:30 also, I'm not sure 09:30 also that seems like too many turns for that death 09:30 but I think 3.6.x, or at least the devnull 3.6.0 version, is doing weird things with deaths 09:30 ais523: I was trying for another death 09:30 3.6.0 is known to be broken in terms of while-helpless 09:31 FIQ: ah, which one? 09:31 (that seems like an unlikely death to get by mistake) 09:31 I wanted to dig up a player corpse 09:31 TROPHY: FIQ now holds the Most Unique Deaths 09:31 so I could die to it 09:31 hmm 09:31 with undead turning 09:31 apparently that death was unique, somehow? 09:31 still not sure how you end up getting alchemic blast trying to dig up a corpse though 09:31 well 09:31 there was 2 graves 09:32 I had a wand of undead turning 09:32 I tried to dig up player monsters 09:32 they both had mummies 09:32 so I took another death instead 09:32 oh, I see 09:32 apparently "killed by an alchemic blast" was still matched 09:32 despite the while helpless thing 09:33 I didn't expect it to 09:33 åhmm 09:33 OrderOfTheCockatrice has 104.5 points now 09:33 nice 09:35 got a major lead over the last few days 09:40 [6:39 PM] mtf: RFE: Demon lords can only be bribed with artifacts 09:40 this is an interesting idea 09:45 I like when y'all add uses for good-but-disappointing items. a use for extra BoH, extra AoR, etc. get too many artifacts? that's fine, you can bribe demon lords :D 09:45 at least FIQHack made artiwishing not rely on RNG giving you shitty artifacts as a troll 09:45 and dNetHack 09:46 "oh no, Ogresmasher..." 09:46 ais523: Btw -- retroactive Con buffs Ogresmasher 09:46 -!- raisse\splat has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 09:46 Still rather mediocre though, unless you do something like what dNetHack did 09:46 I don'nt see buffing Ogresmasher as a problem :-P 09:46 fiq: dnethack makes shitty RNG artifacts considerably less likely IMO 09:46 (where Ogresmasher confers 25 constitution when in the alternate weapon slot too) 09:46 most of them are pretty useful 09:47 ais523: one thing dnethack does, which is an interesting idea, is to allow the less useful banes to be held as secondary weapon when twoweaponing 09:48 not sure if twoweaponing needs any buffs though 09:48 (if anything it needs nerfs...) 09:49 FIQ: OK, so I just did this, in some test git repositories: 09:49 wrong channel? 09:49 err, yes 09:54 -!- dave__ has joined #hardfought 09:56 -!- raisse\splat has joined #hardfought 09:56 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse\splat] by ChanServ 10:03 winny: thanks! glad I could bring us into fourth place 10:03 :) 10:03