00:06 DIED: Raisse (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 8247 points, 8250 turns, petrified by a cockatrice, while getting stoned on hdf-eu 00:12 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #hardfought 00:14 DIED: nht (Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu), 1624 points, 1130 turns, killed by a gnome on hdf-eu 00:14 DIED: Raisse (Cav-Dwa-Fem-Law), 580 points, 4106 turns, killed by a kobold zombie, while fainted from lack of food on hdf-eu 00:14 -!- elenmirie\splat has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:14 -!- elenmirie_ is now known as elenmirie\splat 00:20 [06nh4] Nobbs (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 82360 points, T:50031, killed by a black pudding, while fainted from lack of food 00:26 ASCENDED: firemonkey (Arc-Dwa-Fem-Law), 1952104 points, 28311 turns, ascended on hardfought https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/f/firemonkey/dn36/dumplog/1510785879.dn36.txt 00:27 TROPHY: firemonkey just earned the Birdie (with bells on!) 00:35 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #hardfought 00:35 -!- firemonkey\splat has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 00:36 -!- 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Grue challenge. 02:01 DIED: deki (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 1375 points, 1763 turns, killed by a human zombie on hdf-eu 02:18 DIED: squolly (Cav-Dwa-Fem-Law), 34612 points, 17638 turns, killed by a priestess of Anshar on hardfought 02:28 CHALLENGE ACCEPTED! deki accepted the Dig-Dug challenge. 02:30 -!- mcnick has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:34 DIED: deki (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 7737 points, 5191 turns, petrified by a chickatrice, while getting stoned on hdf-eu 02:45 DIED: nht (Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu), 1182 points, 695 turns, killed by a dart, while frozen by a potion on hdf-eu 02:47 DIED: nht (Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu), 144 points, 107 turns, killed by a wand on hdf-eu 02:50 DIED: nht (Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu), 66 points, 173 turns, killed by a wand, while helpless on hdf-eu 02:58 QUIT: nht (Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu), 1611 points, 681 turns, quit on hdf-eu 02:59 DIED: nht (Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu), 305 points, 134 turns, killed by a dwarf on hdf-eu 03:02 [114k] KickyMcAssington (KickyMcAssingtn) (Kni Hum Mal Law), 10620 points, T:6403, killed by a rope golem 03:18 QUIT: nht (Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu), 1610 points, 894 turns, quit on hdf-eu 03:19 DIED: nht (Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu), 108 points, 84 turns, killed by a goblin on hdf-eu 03:22 -!- katung has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:25 DIED: nht (Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu), 682 points, 298 turns, killed by a gnome lord on hdf-eu 03:31 -!- Porkman has joined #hardfought 03:46 DIED: Tariru (Ran-Elf-Fem-Cha), 14229 points, 12229 turns, killed by a giant spider, while frozen by a monster's gaze on hdf-eu 04:00 -!- joemaro has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:03 -!- dave____ has joined #hardfought 04:13 DIED: spontiff (Hea-Gno-Mal-Neu), 500 points, 34021 turns, killed by a wererat on hdf-eu 04:18 -!- raisse\splat has joined #hardfought 04:18 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse\splat] by ChanServ 04:23 ASCENDED: Entitas (Sam-Hum-Fem-Law), 2072944 points, 35090 turns, ascended on hardfought https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/E/Entitas/dn36/dumplog/1511013957.dn36.txt 04:36 DIED: Raisse (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 980 points, 1523 turns, killed by a small mimic on hdf-eu 04:41 DIED: davez (Mon-Hum-Mal-Cha), 110844 points, 22200 turns, petrified by a cockatrice on hdf-eu 04:45 DIED: Raisse (Arc-Dwa-Fem-Law), 477 points, 1794 turns, killed by a bat, while frozen by a monster's gaze on hdf-eu 04:46 DIED: Raisse (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 205 points, 361 turns, killed by a grid bug on hdf-eu 04:54 DIED: davez (Val-Hum-Fem-Neu), 2567 points, 2617 turns, killed by a boiling potion on hdf-eu 05:03 DIED: Raisse (Cav-Dwa-Fem-Law), 1964 points, 3282 turns, killed by a hill orc on hdf-eu 05:07 DIED: Raisse (Cav-Dwa-Fem-Law), 246 points, 708 turns, killed by a water demon on hdf-eu 05:08 DIED: Raisse (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 102 points, 63 turns, killed by a water moccasin on hdf-eu 05:12 DIED: Raisse (Cav-Dwa-Fem-Law), 425 points, 845 turns, killed by a coyote on hdf-eu 05:16 DIED: Raisse (Arc-Dwa-Fem-Law), 228 points, 608 turns, killed by a sewer rat on hdf-eu 05:21 DIED: Raisse (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 940 points, 1503 turns, killed by a rothe on hdf-eu 05:24 DIED: Raisse (Cav-Dwa-Fem-Law), 413 points, 621 turns, poisoned by a water moccasin on hdf-eu 05:28 -!- dave____ has quit [Quit: leaving] 05:35 -!- Kontroller is now known as Kontroller\unfoo 05:39 DIED: Raisse (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 1167 points, 3466 turns, killed by a dog on hdf-eu 05:47 -!- raisse\splat has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 05:51 [13dnh] porkmantwo (Bin Inc Mal Non) killed Sir Garland, on T:13359 05:52 DIED: Kontroller (Kni-Hum-Mal-Law), 3808 points, 6274 turns, killed by a fire ant on hdf-eu 05:54 [13dnh] porkmantwo (Bin Inc Mal Non) wished for "blessed fireproof greased +3 ogresmasher", on T:13400 05:55 [06nh4] Nobbs (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 23081 points, T:946, killed by a giant bat 06:02 [13dnh] porkmantwo (Bin Inc Mal Non) was given the Pen of the Void, on T:13685 06:06 -!- Jendic has joined #hardfought 06:11 -!- noty has joined #hardfought 06:22 DIED: dgoddard (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Cha), 3187 points, 2387 turns, killed by a gnome on hardfought 06:48 DIED: dgoddard (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Cha), 3241 points, 2933 turns, killed by a horse on hardfought 06:50 is there a *good* solution anyone's come up with to prevent a summonstorm with the Medusa titan? 06:50 [13dnh] porkmantwo (Bin Inc Mal Non) wished for "blessed fireproof greased +3 grayswandir", on T:14878 06:51 [13dnh] porkmantwo (Bin Inc Mal Non) wished for "blessed magic marker", on T:14882 06:51 because right now, he's staying quite a safe 5 squares away and I can't leave the upstairs for fear of the master mind flayers he's summonin 06:51 summoning* 06:53 ...and now there's a red dragon that burnt up my scroll of scare monster 06:54 dig down? 06:54 am on the staircase 06:54 press F 06:54 and that wouldn't really help the summonstorm 06:54 it wouldn't fix the storm, no 06:54 but you could go down, pop up, kill doosie, go back down. deal with storm later. 06:55 I guess you can't get off the stairs tho 06:55 can I wand of death him? 06:55 I already burnt one WoD charge on master mind flayers 06:55 okay that worked 06:56 !calc 70 / ( 100 + 12 - 16 ) 06:57 i think the titan had a 73% chance to resist? according to a quick wikiing 06:57 last time i saw a titan i tamed it :3 06:58 nothing resists death in vanilla 06:58 unless it has player MR or magic missile attack 06:58 aha 07:00 -!- raisse\splat has joined #hardfought 07:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse\splat] by ChanServ 07:02 except now there are 3 minotaurs surrounding the stairs and I don't think I have a 100% chance of surviving one turn 07:04 YASI: if you're polymorphed into a red dragon, you can fire-engrave on the ground with your breath 07:05 I could totally see that with a lightning dragon 07:06 -!- raisse\splat has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:09 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 07:16 Beholder: messages? 07:17 YANI: when you fall into water, you are asked if you want to attempt a teleport spell. If you do, it costs energy. 07:17 actually that might be even more annoying 07:21 wow, 4 blessed scrolls of enchant weapon for only +4 07:21 rip 07:25 blaaaargh 07:25 electric eels 07:25 now I am stuck on a small island on medusa with no wand of death, no wand of teleportation, and no ring of levitation 07:32 DIED: Tariru (Hea-Gno-Fem-Neu), 5816 points, 5653 turns, killed by a homunculus, while sleeping on hdf-eu 07:35 DIED: Tariru (Hea-Gno-Mal-Neu), 131 points, 470 turns, killed by a burning book on hdf-eu 07:43 DIED: jackofclubs (Cav-Dwa-Mal-Law), 2453 points, 4589 turns, killed by a snake on hardfought 07:44 DIED: jmcunx (Sam-Hum-Mal-Law), 2112 points, 3486 turns, killed by a hobgoblin, while fainted from lack of food on hardfought 07:46 -!- firemonkey\splat has joined #hardfought 07:47 QUIT: Tariru (Hea-Gno-Fem-Neu), 1101 points, 1940 turns, quit on hdf-eu 07:50 -!- greqrg has joined #hardfought 07:51 YANI: rename "potion of gain level" to "potion of level up" 07:51 -!- Demo has joined #hardfought 07:51 [13dnh] porkmantwo (Bin Inc Mal Non) wished for "blessed magic marker", on T:18274 07:51 hows stuff? 07:53 aosdict: re dungeon overhaul: what would your opinion be on the level 14 barrier (or maybe even a level 15 or 16 barrier) if there were a dedicated branch in the deeper dungeons for level-grinding purposes? 07:53 perhaps one which generates a lot of wraiths 07:53 eh. 07:54 I'd prefer that the player can get up to quest level without too much extra effort (barring things like paci) 07:54 therefore I would like to see either the XL threshold reduced or the Xp curve reduced 07:54 hi 07:54 I was wondering if that might work as a compromise 07:54 Hello K2, Welcome to #hardfought 07:54 ais523: speaking of wraiths, I was considering either making wraiths not follow you at all, or record "graveyard monster" as a flag 07:55 and dedicating a branch to wraiths... ehhh 07:55 so corpse leaving isn't dependant on the current level, but rather where it was generated 07:55 to remove wraith luring 07:55 undead are already overused enough in the game 07:55 as a mechanic 07:55 I see the game as a sequence of milestones of varying natures, + an ability to influence how you achieve those 07:55 from a strategic point of view 07:55 at least, that would be the ideal 07:55 removing milestones thus simply serves to make the game less insteresting 07:56 YANI for variants with scrolls of consecration: reading a non-cursed scroll while confused removes the graveyard flag from a level. 07:56 xl 14 is a milestone that's very different in nature from most of the others and already allows for tradeoffs trying to hit it 07:56 ais523: in my current game 07:56 its main problem is just that sometimes luck is against you 07:56 and gives no way to reach it 07:56 I had one potion of gain level, and saw a wraith and decided to fight it 07:56 then I got drained from xl11 down to about 8 or 9 07:57 another possibility would be to have rooms with high-level monsters that give lots of exp, that could easily be avoided 07:57 poof, now I have no way to do the quest for a while 07:57 heh 07:57 hooray for MC nerf :P 07:57 @v? wraith 07:57 wraith (14,01W) | Lvl: 6 | Diff: 8 | Spd: 12 | Res: cold sleep poison petrification drain | Confers: nothing | MR: 15 | Generates: gehennom dungeons | AC: 4 | Attacks: 1d6 touch level drain | Alignment: -6 | Flags: genocidable, flies, breathless, unsolid, undead, stalker 07:57 (then again, MC was a bit OP to begin with) 07:57 aosdict: did you not have intrinsic speed? 07:57 don't remember. I'm a tourist so wouldn't have had it intrinsically. 07:57 ais523: in 3.6.0, everything effectively has +1 spee 07:57 d 07:58 because not only is speed randomized, but it is randomized *against you* 07:58 yeah i like 3.4.3 07:58 yes, that's a problem 07:58 I changed that for 3.6.1 07:58 anyway, losing multiple levels to a speed 12 monster strikes me as being likely to be a tactical mistake 07:58 that said, maybe the punishment for the mistake in this case is disproportionate 07:59 [13dnh] porkmantwo (Bin Inc Mal Non) read the necronomicon for the first time, on T:19266 07:59 but after losing one level, it might have been worthwhile using an escape item, and finding another monster to level back up off 07:59 but you get the overall point 07:59 especially if I were unspoiled 07:59 in general NetHack has a lot of flexibility and should allow mistakes like that, but I feel uncomfortable saying that mistakes should always have no consequences 07:59 aosdict: actually that only happened because you were spoiled 07:59 one thing I don't like with leveldrain outside FIQHack and dNetHack 08:00 if an unspoiled player loses a level they typically panic and treat the enemy as much more dangerous than it actually is 08:00 is that it is very hard to regain lost levels beyond the first 08:00 and more tedious than anything 08:00 FIQ: yes, I'm OK with having lost levels easier to regain 08:00 thats a good idea 08:00 dNetHack and FIQHack solves this slightly differently, but the end result is similar 08:00 do you have a specific proposal? if you have an algorithm that works I'd be willing to try to sneak it into vanilla 08:00 dNetHack quintuples XP gain up to your last level 08:01 FIQHack doubles XP gain per lost level and makes full healing able to restore all, rather than half, of the lost levels 08:01 hmm, I prefer the FIQHack approach there 08:01 does that work with self drain shenanigans? well, I guess such shenanigans don't work in dnh 08:01 although maybe I'd use a more common item than full healing 08:01 restore ability! 08:01 ais523: this is a buff to full healing 08:01 it already restored lost levels 08:01 aosdict: was about to say that 08:01 but only half of them 08:01 FIQ: I know 08:02 but !oFH is already something that players are incentivised to collet 08:02 but yes, you could use restore ability here 08:02 *collect 08:02 (and maybe remove the level gain from FH completely?) 08:02 keeping it restoring half would work 08:02 and be easier to slip past the rest of the devteam :-) 08:02 it does that by reducing your "max reached level" 08:02 yes 08:02 that's how I remember it, although I want to check the code to make cetain 08:02 *certain 08:02 so quaffing 1 FH + 1 RA is worse than 1 RA + 1 FH 08:02 that's why I suggested removing it 08:03 since it would interact oddly with each other 08:03 not sure +oRestoreAbility should restore levels though 08:03 oh, I was going to make a !oRA restore all the levels at once 08:03 odd interactions are the whole game though 08:03 ahh 08:03 aosdict: no 08:03 the potion should 08:03 aosdict: right, just the potion, not the spell 08:03 the spell probably shouldn't 08:03 should BCU matter? 08:03 maybe 08:03 uncursed could restore just 1 08:03 and blessed all 08:03 ais523: cursed does nothing, uncursed restores 1 level, blessed restores all? 08:04 like it does ability status 08:04 yeah 08:04 heh 08:04 I was leaning towards that too 08:04 let's try this out 08:05 another thing FIQHack did wrt that is that it made level drain proportional 08:06 i.e. if you were at level 12, 50% towards 13 08:06 sure there's no niche use that you can squeeze onto Cursed? 08:06 it drains to level 11, 50% to 12 08:06 there are 3 states for each item and it's a shame not to use them all 08:06 esp because gaining unholy water is more interesting than gaining holy water 08:07 how about cursed restores 1, uncursed half, blessed all 08:07 hmm 08:07 aosdict: cursed RA currently does nothing though 08:08 well I agree with shpingrlde that having a potion state that does nothing is boring 08:08 if cursed rest-abil made you lose some stats, you could quaff it, in the hopes of losing con-wis. drain yourself. then quaff uncursed RA and gain the levels back 08:08 lol 08:08 that doesn't work in 3.6 anymore 08:08 ah! 08:09 but speaking of making cursed things do something 08:09 you could make cursed gain ability give you an attribute point in something... by taking it from something else :) 08:11 yani: ^ 08:13 DIED: k2 (Arc-Dwa-Mal-Law), 992 points, 1637 turns, killed by a killer bee on hardfought 08:16 yes! speed boots in the castle 08:17 @aosdict just found jumping there myself :D 08:17 jumping buddies 08:17 * aosdict is now casting jumping to cross the trapdoors 08:18 ...once again, I entered the Valley without even getting the wand of wishing or sitting on the throne. What's wrong with me? 08:18 i should watch cause i dont feel like playing 08:18 DIED: k2 (Arc-Dwa-Mal-Law), 552 points, 690 turns, killed by a giant bat on hardfought 08:19 that seems totally reasonable, for a chaosdictionary 08:20 DIED: k2 (Arc-Dwa-Mal-Law), 20 points, 73 turns, killed by a grid bug on hardfought 08:20 -!- remirol is now known as lorimer 08:22 -!- aoei has joined #hardfought 08:22 OK, pushed to vanilla, it'll become public in a few hours; let's see if anyone yells at me 08:22 FIQ: by taking it from one of your top two stats, but randomly picking which one (50/50 chance) -- that way you can't guarantee utility, but there's still a potential for circumstantial use 08:22 DIED: k2 (Bar-Orc-Mal-Cha), 320 points, 344 turns, killed by a gnome on hardfought 08:22 (!oRA restoring levels, that is; I didn't change c!oRA) 08:23 -!- aoei is now known as aoei\splat 08:24 welp, there goes my entire attempt at stealth in the valley 08:24 FIQ: in fiqhack, are monsters not completely stupid about realizing they can't escape with a wand of digging on an undiggable level? 08:25 they gotta make sure you cant get any use out of the wand when you kill them :P 08:26 aosdict: they will still try 08:26 but they catch on (like in vanilla) 08:26 aosdict: ok, so for partial poison 08:27 I was going to do this: 08:27 * attribute damage happens 3 times less often 08:27 * when it does happen, it's a 3rd of what is usually is 08:27 * additional damage is halved 08:28 so poison instadeath is now 1/2 maxhp? 08:28 also, half physical damage will no longer protect against it (why did this ever do?) 08:28 aosdict: FIQHack replaced poison instadeath with the affected attribute being reduced by 1 point permanently 08:29 (permanently here meaning "you can't use restore ability/unihorn/whatever) 08:29 " 08:29 Oh, can the PYEC not charge oil lamps? Weird. 08:30 can scrolls of charging charge oil lamps? 08:30 it's not really charging flavourwise, more like refilling 08:30 (whereas brass lanterns actually are charged, with electric charge) 08:30 it can 08:30 yeahcan charge 08:31 FIQ: so I assume that the permanent reduction wouldn't take effect if you have resistance 08:31 aosdict: it can 08:31 but happens 3 times less often 08:31 oh 08:31 this means that the most likely source is reduced from 1/8 to 1/24 08:31 DIED: k2 (Bar-Orc-Mal-Cha), 1872 points, 1279 turns, killed by a water moccasin on hardfought 08:31 now, because of symmetry, does this mean that poisoned weapons are significantly nerfed versus monsters? 08:32 *non-resistant monsters 08:32 what do you mean? 08:32 there is no chance for non-resistant things 08:32 oh 08:32 I see what you mean 08:32 yeah, no instakill 08:32 DIED: k2 (Bar-Orc-Mal-Cha), 58 points, 93 turns, killed by a tower of flame on hardfought 08:33 and I assume the +d6 damage doesn't happen either 08:34 ? 08:34 the +d6 still happens 08:34 just like for players 08:34 well, sometimes 08:34 oh, it does 08:34 basically 08:34 player poison 08:34 will either do extra damage 08:34 (d6) 08:34 !rng try for Magicbane | wish up Grayswandir and wreck everything 08:34 aosdict: try for Magicbane 08:35 but... 08:35 or d10+5 08:35 depending on if it's a thrown weapon or not 08:35 or it will reduce attribute points 08:35 or it will kill 08:35 in FIQHack, the kill is replaced by permanent attribute damage 08:35 otherwise there is no other difference with no resistances 08:36 with poison resistance (after these changes) 08:36 attribute damage is 3 times less likely, meaning normal damage is more common 08:36 normal damage is halved 08:36 attribute damage is reduced to 1/3 08:36 and permanent attribute damage is 3 times more unlikely 08:36 for monsters 08:36 does extrinsic poison res (GDSM, etc.) give complete immunity to poison effects? 08:36 replace attribute damage with max HP damage 08:36 with these changes? 08:36 I assume so 08:36 yes 08:37 -!- dave__ has joined #hardfought 08:37 ais523: you have an immunity if you have it extrinsically, or innately as part of your base form in all cases 08:37 (meaning you didn't gain it on level up) 08:38 note that in FIQHack 08:38 YASI: rename black dragons to sable dragons and red dragons to scarlet dragons, so we can have even more confusion on what GDSM and SDSM means 08:38 DIED: k2 (Bar-Orc-Mal-Cha), 1222 points, 576 turns, killed by a gnome lord, while sleeping on hardfought 08:38 a timed trinsic is regarded as an extrinsic 08:38 [13dnh] porkmantwo (Bin Inc Mal Non), 425278 points, T:21681, poisoned by a swamp fern spore 08:38 but this doesn't matter in this case 08:38 because no elemental damage types can be temporary 08:38 aosdict: I've been reading your quest level overhaul; you probably missed that the cave layout in the Cave of the Wumpus is identical to that in the computer game "Hunt the Wumpus" 08:39 ais523: I also made telepathy use the same system 08:39 which explains the exact number of rooms involved and how they're arranged 08:39 meaning mind flayers (and floating eyes) now have "extrinsic" telepathy 08:39 innately 08:39 FIQ: I'm fine with that, was just checking to see if you'd done it the way I wanted 08:39 as you had there's no real reason to complain 08:39 ais523: hunt the wumpus was a text adventure, I thought 08:40 hmm 08:40 aosdict: it is, but the rooms all have numbers and all have connections to specific other rooms 08:40 as in, there was no actual map with squares 08:40 this change means stinking clouds becomes an actual threat 08:40 so it's still possible to draw the map out topologically 08:40 I have no issues with this 08:40 I have no issue with that either 08:40 maybe I should generate it in monster inventories :-) 08:40 they're very dangerous against monsters in vanilla 08:40 just the player can resist them pretty easily 08:40 currently they use it, but aren't generated with it IIRC 08:41 oh wait 08:41 they are 08:41 just checked 08:41 ais523: not seeing why the map couldn't be rearranged but still keep the same structure 08:41 as long as all the proper rooms are still connected 08:42 http://sprunge.us/ZdXf item generation of offensive items in fiqhack 08:42 mostly unchanged from vanilla 08:43 aosdict: yes, you could rearrange it 08:43 to keep the same topological structure 08:43 although it's a fairly rigid one so more or less all you could really change would be the sizes and positions of the rooms 08:44 I mean, the main impetus of rearranging stuff is to fit the overall "sideways moving" feel of the quest 08:44 you could easily just take the level as is and slap entry and exit corridors on the sides 08:47 aosdict: OBTW, shock resistance will not save you from divine retribution 08:48 only immunity will 08:48 makes sense 08:48 ais523: any other thoughts on the quest redesigns? I'm looking for some more feedback before I start designing actual levels 08:49 (although, I already did do Arc-home and Arc-loca) 08:49 aosdict: I was mostly fine with them 08:50 FIQ: Thinking about orctown again, perhaps the survivors should flee UP the mines, instead of down them. Orctown games would then have (some number of) shops high up in the mines, a hard fight halfway down, and a normal mines end. 08:51 dNethack has more options for where the refugees could end up, I lean towards outside the windowless tower, on the right-hand side of the river. 08:52 CHALLENGE ACCEPTED! sluggoman accepted the Dig-Dug challenge. 08:52 DIED: larry (Hea-Gno-Fem-Neu), 392 points, 2244 turns, poisoned by a rotted kobold corpse on hardfought 08:52 Chris_ANG: possibly 08:53 but then orctown should be made harder 08:53 maybe it's not barricaded then, and the orcs can swarm out of the town? 08:53 ais523: btw, since "30 turns of paralysis" isn't much better than "60 turns of paralysis", I made sleep resistance do 2 things: 08:54 wrong highlight, but anyway 08:54 * duration reduced to 1/3 08:54 * each turn, you have a 10% chance to wake up 08:54 surely the best fix is to increase the probability that combat wakes you up? 08:54 maybe even to 100% when attacked directly or taking damage 08:54 ais523: the issue is, not all combat wakes up 08:54 in fact 08:54 make it so that it does 08:54 basically no combat does 08:54 only melee 08:55 I put "taking damage" in there as a catchall 08:55 ah 08:55 although, you could go even further, and make nomul() wake you up 08:55 if you have sleep resistance 08:55 you have been damaged by NH3 08:55 nomul doesn't exist in NH4 :P 08:55 (and are actually asleep, obviously) 08:55 what does nomul do anyway 08:55 I forgot 08:56 DIED: k2 (Bar-Orc-Mal-Cha), 2166 points, 2246 turns, killed by a white unicorn on hardfought 08:56 you mean that another helplessness should wake you up? 08:56 it cancels occupations and multiturn actions, and applies helplessness 08:56 you can call it with an argument of 0 to apply no helplessness, in which case it just cancels actions 08:56 okay, wishing up Grayswandir and wrecking everything was definitely the way to go 08:56 ahh 08:56 nomul(0) is commonly used when, say, you take damage or a monster comes into view 08:56 so action_interrupted 08:56 right 08:57 hm but I think that makes sleep res basically the same as immunity 08:57 also I'm in NH3 mode right now (having been commiting to vanilla and working on the TAS) 08:57 I still want it to be a danger, just not a critical danger 08:57 CHALLENGE ACCEPTED! sluggoman accepted the Pac-Man challenge. 08:57 FIQ: the difference is that, say, if you step onto a sleep trap 08:57 you fall asleep until a monster turns up 08:57 DIED: k2 (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 4 points, 33 turns, killed by a jackal on hardfought 08:57 so it doesn't leave you in danger but it does move you into danger 08:57 ah 08:57 whereas immunity would let you tank the trap altogether 08:57 50% of the time? 08:57 DIED: k2 (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 50 points, 42 turns, killed by a kobold on hardfought 08:58 might be simplest to have it all deterministic 08:58 sleep immunity = can't fall asleep 08:58 DIED: k2 (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 0 points, 27 turns, killed by a grid bug on hardfought 08:58 sleep resistance = wakes up really easily 08:58 but still falls asleep just as easily 08:58 DIED: k2 (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 0 points, 25 turns, killed by a jackal on hardfought 08:58 maybe you could make the "oRS give sleep resistance in addition to sleepitis, that might make it useful in some cases 08:58 hmm 08:59 can action_interrupted be called by the client? 08:59 DIED: k2 (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 0 points, 31 turns, killed by a jackal on hardfought 08:59 ais523: am I wrong in thinking multi is bad and should be eliminated? 08:59 DIED: k2 (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 0 points, 22 turns, killed by a fox on hardfought 08:59 or does it merely set flags.interrupted directly? 08:59 because I don't really want to let the client wake up the player 08:59 DIED: k2 (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 98 points, 97 turns, killed by a fox on hardfought 09:00 aosdict: multi is basically doing three jobs at once 09:00 hm 09:00 each of those jobs is individually sensible though 09:00 NH4 just splits it up 09:00 yes, action_interrupted *can* be called by the client 09:00 I will just make it so that HP loss wake you up then 09:00 safer 09:00 right, fair enough 09:00 I forgot it could be called via restoring from a midturn save 09:01