00:05 no 00:05 charisma *is* pw 00:05 casting drains charisma 00:05 (temporarily) 00:05 huh, really? how much does a spell cost? 00:06 that would mean if a spell costs 5 charisma to cast, you can only cast it 5 times until you have to wait! 00:07 -!- uinmyoohlo has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:07 they cost 1-5 00:08 http://sprunge.us/GadZ 00:09 can teleport reach 100% success? 00:09 yes 00:09 if I don't maintain the 4 spells I have maintained 00:09 it will be 100% 00:10 also I have a +5 psionic amplifier 00:10 without it, teleport is 70% 00:10 if I had an energy dome as helmet instead of the space helmet I use 00:10 it would also be 100% 00:10 (or 90% if I also removed the psionic amplifier) 00:11 there's 2 spells missing from that list 00:11 regeneration (level 1 IIRC) and optic blast (level 2) 00:11 other than that I think I have them all 00:11 ah, so "maintaining" spells reduces the success chance of others? 00:12 it reduces your cha while maintained 00:12 apparently in a way that confuses restore ability, but yeah 00:12 (restoration) 00:22 -!- vxmlvmpmgf has joined #hardfought 00:22 -!- vxmlvmpmgf has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:35 -!- khoR has joined #hardfought 00:45 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:58 Hello from the independent republic of my office. 00:58 khoR: Message from aosdict at 2017-10-27 11:28 EDT: stay safe 00:58 Aww <3 01:04 -!- elenmirie has joined #hardfought 01:04 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v elenmirie] by ChanServ 01:40 -!- Haudegen has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:58 DIED: Mandevil (Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu), 161 points, 433 turns, killed by a grid bug on hdf-eu 02:14 ESCAPED: khamul (Wiz-Hum-Fem-Neu), 15037 points, 4857 turns, escaped on hardfought 02:27 TROPHY: bebing now holds the Highest Scored Rogue 02:28 TROPHY: Luxidream now holds the Highest Scored Priest 02:28 TROPHY: RyanDorkoski now holds the Highest Scored Valkyrie 02:28 TROPHY: k2 now holds the Highest Scored Archeologist 02:28 TROPHY: telegarn now holds the Highest Scored Caveman 02:28 TROPHY: khamul now holds the Highest Scored Wizard 02:28 TROPHY: bouquet now holds the Highest Scored Archeologist 02:28 TROPHY: elenmirie now holds the Highest Scored Priest 02:28 TROPHY: stenno now holds the Highest Scored Valkyrie 02:28 TROPHY: Tangles now holds the Highest Scored Caveman and Highest Scored Rogue 02:28 TROPHY: nht now holds the Highest Scored Wizard 02:28 TROPHY: bouquet just earned the Lead Star 02:28 TROPHY: Tangles just earned the Lead Star 02:28 -!- Guest88241 has quit [Changing host] 02:28 -!- Guest88241 has joined #hardfought 02:29 -!- Guest88241 is now known as stenno 02:29 so many trophies 02:30 all shall have prizes! 02:32 that seems... not right. 02:33 like it reported a bunch of old ones for some reason 02:41 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1] 02:46 yeah 02:47 ey Tangles do you think that the AC that waldos armor gives is correct? 02:47 -!- Webmant has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:47 because i don't think so 02:47 because it is by far the best armor in the game 02:51 stenno: I thought that was fixed in like 2014. 02:52 It *should* give no AC bonus at all. 02:53 If it's back to giving 10 points of AC, then I guess I've somehow regressed that bug when I ported the code to 3.6. 02:53 10 AC base? 02:53 O_O 02:55 yeah, internally armor AC benefit is defined as 10 - bonus 02:55 so if you want the armor to give no benefit, you input 10 02:55 krystal didn't realize this 02:55 khoR: Yes. It was a coding error with the initial waldo patch. In the code, an item's AC is "what your AC would be set to if you wore this item and nothing else". 02:55 what FIQ said. 02:56 so devnull used to have some armor that gave 10 AC 02:56 putting your AC to 0 if that was your only armor 02:56 because devnull authors figured "0 ac = no bonus" 02:57 this system is arguably even worse than the whole AC thing in first place 02:58 by some miracle, i still have power and internet 02:58 That sounds awfully... 02:58 I can't figure out the word 02:58 unintuitive 02:58 ! 02:58 brb 02:58 Yes, it is 02:59 khoR: how about "ass backwards" 02:59 What's the benefit of having it this way? 02:59 !lastgame NeroOneTrueKing 02:59 FIQ: https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/N/NeroOneTrueKing/fiqhack/dumplog/2017-10-29%2003%3A33%3A12%2C%20NeroOneTrueKing-Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu%2C%20died.txt 02:59 ouch 02:59 !tell aosdict you know what would be great? having your levels in .des format (or in an actual patch on github) :D 02:59 Will do, LarienTelrunya! 03:00 being killed by death rays is always no fun 03:00 khoR: Ask devteam 03:03 khoR: there was probably a point in distant history where it made sense. 03:04 Tangles: it never made sense in 1.3d either 03:06 7 trees down in my front yard including 3 blocking my driveway 03:06 checking backyard now ;) 03:06 FIQ: Did you change archond dying to death wands or are you gonna leave it like that? 03:07 I forgot 03:07 Tangles: so, is it fixed now or not? :P 03:14 stenno: Well, it was fixed 3 years ago... and I had no reason until now to believe any different. So thanks for that. 03:15 K2: eep! 03:15 oh i wasn't really aware that it ws fixed 03:15 I'm now building the code with wizmode enabled so I can check more easily, 03:15 fixed three years ago already 03:15 isn't it in obj.c somewhere? 03:16 stenno: I think the first time I played devnull was 2013, and it was broken then, but my recollection is it was fixed the year after. 03:17 but I was pretty clueless when I ported the code, and I kind of remember all the macros that define the armor being tricky... 03:18 so a wiztest would not hurt. 03:18 Did anyone who's been testing try on the bobble hat or the sweater? 03:18 I did... I didn't get any AC 03:19 ah well then 03:19 I don't know if there's a distinction between waldo's gear and the decoy's ... 03:19 this was decoy waldo gear 03:20 I'll try it again if I get a chance... I'm still looking for the little buzzard. 03:21 nah its there in the patch 03:21 i found it already 03:21 sweater and bobbled hat give 0 ac 03:22 thats the 0.1.9 patch 03:23 !tell K2 pushed fixes 03:23 Will do, FIQ! 03:23 Tangles: is the source code for all the various devnull challenges publicly available? 03:23 LarienTelrunya: Yes 03:23 the original patches to 3.4.3 are still on the old devnull site. 03:23 great! maybe I want to implement some of it in slex :D 03:23 ....which will probably disappear at some point. 03:24 http://nethack.devnull.net/software/nethack-0.1.9.diff 03:24 thanks stenno. 03:24 was just looking for that. 03:25 ah cool, thanks :) 03:25 sorry for the hassle, it shows that i am really out of the loop regarding devnull and nethack 03:25 all good stenno! 03:25 v_v" 03:26 rip dragonhide waldo armor 03:26 hope to see a good speedrun from you in the tourney ;) 03:26 yeah i have a sexy ping to the eu server 03:26 i could try something 03:26 hmm. Is the joust challenge not in there? 03:26 stenno: what is the ping? 03:26 30ms 03:26 LarienTelrunya: the 3.6.0 code we are running in the tournament is here https://github.com/NHTangles/NetHack36/tree/devnull_hdf 03:27 --- eu.hardfought.org ping statistics --- 03:27 4 packets transmitted, 4 received, 0% packet loss, time 3005ms 03:27 rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 32.832/33.236/34.366/0.689 ms 03:27 similar 03:27 LarienTelrunya: I think 0.1.9 was the latest patch, so it should be in there. 03:27 Tangles: ah, it's there, thanks :) 03:27 ok mine iz more like 40 03:27 but its good enough 03:27 round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 35.435/39.279/46.975/4.513 ms 03:28 specifically, I want to implement the monst.c additions, because slex's monst.c ain't big enough :D 03:28 heh 03:28 2h30 is possible but difficult 03:28 hope i can do sub 3h 03:32 trees down in backyard but by some stroke of luck, my fence is still intact 03:32 K2: Message from FIQ at 2017-10-30 06:23 EDT: pushed fixes 03:32 did you have a hurricane too? 03:32 we had one here last night 03:32 remnants of a tropical storm made its way up the state 03:33 its still passing through but the strongest winds hit around 2am EST 03:33 thats probably the one that hit japan two days ago? 03:33 attie talked about it 03:33 school is closed across a lot of the state due to power outages and trees blocking roads/highways 03:33 stenno: i'm US east coast, so different storm 03:34 ah east coast, ok 03:34 how i still have power and internet is beyond me 03:34 the nethack gods protected you 03:34 but not your trees 03:34 they DID 03:34 thank you crom!! 03:34 :) 03:34 :P 03:35 i'll take pics later when the sun comes up 03:35 poll: porridge warm or cold? 03:35 warm 03:35 my neighbor texted me, he has at least a dozen trees down across his driveway 03:35 cold 03:35 and 9 days old 03:35 mp 03:35 uh 03:35 wow, that's quite a storm 03:36 well, the trees here are mostly canadian pine - roots spread out more thean go down 03:36 oh, so they tend to fall over 03:36 lots of rock/ledge here, trees dont have much choice 03:36 yes 03:36 gusts topped 70mph 03:37 some of the trees down in my front yard snapped about 10-15 ft up 03:37 others, roots came out and all 03:37 DIED: blackshift (Pri-Hum-Mal-Law), 175 points, 167 turns, killed by a newt on hardfought 03:38 that's about what we had a couple of weeks ago... we had some trees down but not what you're talking about 03:38 as soon as the sun comes up i will go out and start cutting trees. ugh 03:38 I guess that's because of the rocky terrain where you are 03:38 yeah we've had this happen before 03:38 but last nights storm was stronger than what I can remember 03:39 and it's still passing through with lots of wind, just not as bad now 03:39 wow K2 that sounds savage. 03:39 !time 03:39 Tangles: Mon Oct 30 06:39:25 2017 EDT 03:39 weather will be nice for start of tournament <---- all that matters 03:39 :D 03:39 lol 03:39 probably the kind of tournament where weather matters least. 03:40 it would matter if K2 had a power outage! 03:40 I find it impossible to concentrate on work lately. I'm just so... Uninterested. 03:40 khoR play more nethack 03:41 elenmirie: we've been talking about getting a power generator for the house. need to make that happen 03:41 yes, the server must be protected! 03:42 I'm trying to get a bit more work done before attempting pacifist and getting mad at FIQ again. 03:43 :) 03:44 elenmirie: I have a giant UPS that will keep the server and router up for a few hours if we lose power 03:44 but i want a generator :P 03:44 oh AND 03:44 after the tourney when I setup the EU server 03:45 global redundancy muahahaha 03:47 FIQhack updated 03:47 ^ FIQ 03:48 K2: EU server :3 03:48 yes! 03:48 yeah its going to happen 03:49 after the tournament is over, i'll basically mirror hdf-main to the eu instance 03:50 i will probably need to upgrade the cpu/memory on it, need to find out if i can do that without losing everything already installed on it 03:50 there's an annoying save bug that pertains to there being exactly 72 properties previously 03:51 K2: EU server :3 03:53 :D 04:07 DIED: khamul (Kni-Hum-Mal-Law), 1831 points, 2942 turns, killed by a gnome king on hardfought 04:21 uh 04:21 this makes no sense 04:21 this write doesn't seem to have any effect at all 04:42 -!- Haudegen has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:47 DIED: khamul (Kni-Hum-Mal-Law), 1202 points, 2106 turns, killed by a straw golem on hardfought 04:51 FIQ: wtf, is it true that > and < in fiqhack now make you run all the way through monster-filled hallways if the stair is visible, without a confirmation? if yes: can that be turned off? 04:54 No 04:54 its not true 04:54 > is the same as _ (the travel comand) 04:55 >* 04:55 wat 04:55 why is that showing like a white square 04:55 anyway, it just tells you 04:55 "where do you want to travel to?" 04:55 Only it sets cursor to stairs instead of your character. 04:55 Which is awesome and a feature I love. Since I travel all the time. 04:58 ah, good 04:58 I had already feared it was like autoexplore in DCSS :P 04:59 -!- geoffspear has left #hardfought 05:06 Evil Patch Idea: when using travel, the Esc key picks a random destination, confirms, and disables interruptions so you won't stop on the way there due to minor things like monsters attacking you. 05:07 Related EPI: travel automatically unequips armor and drops items, if necessary, so that you can squeeze through narrow places. 05:08 There are artifacts in slex that disable interruptions upon being attacked by a monster; needless to say, using them is rather dangerous :) 05:08 Yes, slex is usually a step ahead of the EPI list. 05:09 you should play it to see what all those wonderful EPIs we're coming up with actually do in-game ;) 05:09 I'll take that under advisement. 05:10 However, I probably don't have very much play time in the next month due to NaTiDraMo. 05:10 but it's devnull! even I will probably play at least a little bit ;) 05:10 I am skipping devnull to do NaTiDraMo instead. 05:10 skipping devnul???? 05:11 the final (maybe) devnull? 05:11 Grasshopper: skipping devnull is a bit of a personal tradition with me. 05:11 also, why does fourk need so many tiles? it only adds a couple new monsters and maybe an object or two! 05:11 I believe in breaking the rules 05:11 LarienTelrunya: Oh, I finished slashem-32. 05:11 LarienTelrunya: What I'm trying to do now is an entirely new tileset from scratch. 05:11 oh... that sounds like a lot of work 05:11 A bit, a bit. 05:12 jonadab, this may be the last time you can skip devnull, unless you show suppoirt by participating 05:12 * LarienTelrunya can't draw worth shit 05:12 I estimate that if I average 30 tiles a day, I can just about make it. 05:12 I wouldn't be able to do 30 tiles a day, or 30 tiles a week for that matter, if I were trying to do a set like slashem-32. 05:13 But FMOB has constraints that make the tiles easier to draw. 05:13 (It uses only one foreground color per tile.) 05:13 (Not counting black, which is always allowed.) 05:13 sounds reasonable 05:14 I've started already, you can see what I currently have here: http://jonadab.jumpingcrab.com/pastebin/916.png 05:14 the weapon tiles look kinda cute :) 05:14 I need to redo the water and lava. They're lopsided. 05:15 looks good 05:15 some of your hafts could be shorter 05:16 then the blades/nasty bits can be bigger 05:16 You mean like on the spears? 05:16 don't need to shoe the entire length 05:16 show 05:16 Ah. 05:16 So on the polearms then? 05:16 just the pointy,stabby,slashy,bumpy bits 05:16 yes 05:16 for polearms especially 05:17 swords/daggers etc need a hilt/guard to define themelves 05:17 themselves 05:17 Yeah. 05:17 but polearms/spears etc don't 05:20 -!- HTTPS has joined #hardfought 05:20 probably also suggest a "lip" for your beakers/jugs/potions etc to define a top 05:21 most (not all) lab beakers etc come like that 05:21 -!- HTTPS has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:22 hmm, so like an extra pixel of width sticking out at the top? 05:22 -!- HTTPS has joined #hardfought 05:22 yeah, pretty much just like that 05:22 * jonadab makes notes. 05:23 !tell K2 pushed a revert 05:23 Will do, FIQ! 05:24 !tell ais523 how do I debug save writing? I'm encountering a bug I can't make any sense of 05:24 Will do, FIQ! 05:26 so apparently 05:26 -!- HTTPS has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 05:27 if an old save have a different (trinsics-1)/8 from the current 05:27 the save will refuse to load 05:27 the obvious suspect was my way of handling fromoutside which take up 1 bit per property rather than 8 and thus doing byte trickery 05:27 however 05:27 commenting this out completely 05:27 doesn't remove the issue 05:27 which makes no sense 05:28 Isn't there a sanity check on the number of properties? 05:28 -!- HTTPS has joined #hardfought 05:28 jonadab: why would said sanity check care only about multiplies of 8? 05:28 Oh, hmm, good point. 05:28 oh... 05:29 I might have foudn it 05:29 * FIQ points at ais523 code, and curses 05:29 libnethack/include/you.h 05:29 129: uchar ever_extrinsic[(LAST_PROP + 7) / 8]; 05:29 130: uchar ever_intrinsic[(LAST_PROP + 7) / 8]; 05:29 131: uchar ever_temporary[(LAST_PROP + 7) / 8]; 05:29 Ah. 05:31 -!- Webmant has joined #hardfought 05:33 -!- HTTPS has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:33 LarienTelrunya: Writing about the levels is easy, designing maps is harder, writing des files is not harder but more tedious. Not to mention I want more feedback before moving forward with stuff. 05:34 FIQ: The 10-AC thing is annoying enough that I might just go through objects.c redefining everything, as another patch. 05:34 aos: ah; well your maps are looking nice, so I might want to implement them in slex :D 05:35 LarienTelrunya: also, implementing proper new filler algorithms (and possibly needing to extend des files so they can take parameters) is harder than creating des files. 05:35 aos: LarienTelrunya loves .des files. If you design a new algorithm for generating levels, she will ask you to make .des files of it. 05:38 !tell K2 pushed fixes 05:38 Will do, FIQ! 05:39 -!- HTTPS has joined #hardfought 05:46 DIED: khamul (Kni-Hum-Mal-Law), 1422 points, 2373 turns, killed by a killer bee on hardfought 06:27 jonadab: Where was your "how to build on windows" guide? 06:30 found it 06:34 [08un] sullysully (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 168 points, T:775, killed by a grid bug 06:40 -!- HTTPS has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:40 -!- HTTPS has joined #hardfought 06:40 [08un] sullysully (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 246 points, T:1169, killed by a jackal, while fainted from lack of food 06:41 -!- HTTPS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:41 -!- HTTPS has joined #hardfought 06:46 [13dnh] rikersan (Pri Inc Mal Cha), 675 points, T:420, killed by a water moccasin 06:47 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:48 ... 06:48 $-32301 06:48 why 06:49 [08un] sullysully (Wiz Hum Fem Cha), 40 points, T:130, fell into a pit 06:58 [07nd] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Neu) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:806 06:59 [08un] sullysully (Wiz Hum Fem Cha), 1261 points, T:1157, quit 07:02 [08un] sullysully (Wiz Hum Fem Cha), 160 points, T:275, killed by a jackal 07:15 -!- HTTPS has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:17 -!- HTTPS has joined #hardfought 07:17 -!- HTTPS has quit [Client Quit] 07:19 I wonder how it would change balance if many of the ray attacks used by monsters got changed to beams instead. 07:20 I think a few variants toy with that? 07:24 aos: Or if breath had a short range (maybe 3 tiles) but fanned out, could hit multiple opponents, and didn't reflect? 07:25 Also possible. 07:27 I'm just coming to terms with the fact that a fire breathing dragon can't burninate you because you're wearing an amulet that's probably no more than a few centimeters wide. 07:28 Or how about that a green dragon's poisonous breath can rebound off a wall and hit a different monster. 07:32 -!- khoR_ has joined #hardfought 07:32 So what I just implemented is a patch that gives you reflection half of the time if you're wielding a mirror, and that got me thinking about reflection. 07:33 -!- KhorZ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:39 [07nd] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:5520 07:55 why am I not dying 07:55 I'm pregnant 07:55 it's a 400-turn instadeath 07:55 it isn't working 07:55 wat 07:55 oh 07:55 zapm 07:56 radiation also seems broken 07:56 I wonder if I overflowed something in my farming, breaking timers 08:02 k2: Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds: Minimum = 72ms, Maximum = 1289ms, Average = 697ms 08:02 what's up with that? 08:03 i'm getting erratic laggy response 08:03 run a traceroute 08:03 K2: Message from FIQ at 2017-10-30 08:23 EDT: pushed a revert 08:03 K2: Message from FIQ at 2017-10-30 08:38 EDT: pushed fixes 08:03 one sec 08:04 we had a bad storm come through here last night, its very possible a hop between us was affected 08:04 surprised i didnt lose power or connectivity to be honest 08:05 everything is fine until the last hop: 15 1096 ms 723 ms 1502 ms c-24-2-155-198.hsd1.vt.comcast.net [24.2.155.198] 08:06 ok 08:07 thats the ip of the server 08:07 sporadic for me as well (i'm at work) 08:08 Pinging hardfought.org [24.2.155.198] with 32 bytes of data: 08:08 Reply from 24.2.155.198: bytes=32 time=717ms TTL=55 08:08 Reply from 24.2.155.198: bytes=32 time=63ms TTL=55 08:08 Reply from 24.2.155.198: bytes=32 time=727ms TTL=55 08:08 Reply from 24.2.155.198: bytes=32 time=812ms TTL=55 08:08 yup. that's what i see 08:08 Hardfought is having trouble? 08:08 looks that way 08:09 lemme run an indepth trace 08:09 Just in time for the tourney. 08:09 sod's law 08:09 Hey, we've got one more day 08:10 But that super long delay is strange. 08:10 [10fh] TKirby (tkirby) (Mon Elf Fem Cha), 14113 points, T:535, quit 08:10 Maybe it'll clear up all by itself on the first. Of December. 08:10 That looks like cable modem issue? 08:11 Yes, the last hop is where it's at. 08:11 -!- Voltara has joined #hardfought 08:12 K2: did you update fh? it's kinda important 08:12 because fh is kinda broken atm 08:13 not yet 08:13 gimme a few min 08:13 ok 08:13 quick, everyone ascend before he patches! 08:16 as in "saves can't be loaded, and each newly created game will need manual intervention to restore once updated" 08:16 Quick, everyone start a bunch of new FIQHack games. 08:16 * FIQ zaps jonadab with a wand of teleportation 08:17 jonadab resists your magic! 08:17 Hmm 08:17 WSL allows me to ssh into the Windows computer 08:17 from my linux one 08:17 that's convenient, that way I don't have to deal with its insane keyboard 08:18 can even use stuff like CMD that way, so strawberry should work 08:18 WSL? 08:18 windows subsystem for linux 08:18 basically an MS-endorsed linux VM for windows 10 08:19 -!- firemonkey has joined #hardfought 08:19 FIQhack updated 08:19 cool 08:22 ok so,.... 08:22 the router right before hardfought server is dropping packets 08:22 around 7-10% 08:23 makes some sense, if it's storm damage 08:23 or more correctly, a router 08:23 not necessarily THE router 08:23 K2: Is your cable above ground? 08:23 10% is quite a lot 08:23 but most likely 08:23 -!- tkirby has joined #hardfought 08:23 Mandevil: mostly yes 08:23 K2: I need to get tkirby's last fh save I think to fix it 08:24 due to the earlier (broken) update 08:24 yup 08:24 yeah, it says it needs manual recovery 08:24 K2: Cable damage likely... 08:24 so traffic going through ge-2-1-pe01.needham.ma.ibone.comcast.net is dropping packets 08:25