00:05 hi 00:05 Hello nht, Welcome to #hardfought 00:07 Hi Beholder and welcome to #hardfought. Enjoy your stay! 00:07 -!- MTF has quit [Quit: *poof*] 00:07 -!- khoR has joined #hardfought 00:07 Is there no way on the devnull tournament page to see if a given player is in a clan, and if yes, which one? 00:07 -!- MTF has joined #hardfought 00:10 -!- Guest57965 has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:19 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 00:19 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grassy] by ChanServ 00:20 !streak Grasshopper 00:20 Grassy: Grasshopper Max[07nd]: 6 (2017-03-17 - 2017-05-14). Current[07nd]: 3 (since 2017-08-20). 00:23 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:32 !tell jonadab You are hereby cordially invited into my devnull clan, the name of which was inspired by you! *bundlebundlebundle* *cuddlecuddlecuddle* ♥ :) 00:32 Will do, LarienTelrunya! 00:34 !tell K2 why am I supposed to remember if someone else does not solicit players for their clans randomly? it's their decision; I, for one, like to use the "machinegun-like" method of trying to get clan members :D 00:34 Will do, LarienTelrunya! 00:35 https://www.hardfought.org/devnull/clans/%F0%9F%92%A9.html why 00:36 FIQ: Ask stenno? 00:37 FIQ: I even had to fix SQLite UTF-8 config to make this work ok. 00:38 lol 00:39 FIQ: Do you use Chrome? 00:45 Oh my god why did I click that ling. 00:45 link* 00:45 I wasn't intending on going blind today... 00:46 Is that enough to make you go blind? 00:47 Lime fosforescent green over black background? Yeah. 00:48 OMG. 00:48 You have never seen original devnull page, have you? 00:49 khoR: Here's what it was like: http://nethack.devnull.net/ 00:49 No, but from your reaction I don't know if I want to... 00:49 xD 00:49 Oh my fucking god what the fuck 00:49 Tiny green glowing text and underlined red. 00:50 Mandevil: Yes, currently 00:50 FIQ: And the emoji displays OK for you? 00:50 Yes 00:50 Note that it does NOT display correctly in Chromium 00:51 For some reason it doesn't work for me in Chrome. 00:51 But that is on a different computer 00:51 I only see recatangle. 00:51 So that might be related too 00:52 khoR: I actually find devnull's page much better than many others 00:52 Because it is bright on dark 00:52 Which is nice 00:53 In web design, bright on completely dark is considered bad. 00:54 Mandevil: yes, it is a horrible principe 00:54 it is much harder to read that way 00:54 this is the only reason I even use chrome/chromium 00:54 because I found deluminate for it and not for any other browser 00:54 previously I used firefox 01:01 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 01:01 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 01:04 I see the poo in chrome 01:04 on that link 01:05 yes, me too (in firefox) 01:07 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 01:07 -!- stenno is now known as Guest21338 01:12 -!- Guest21338 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:15 DIED: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 310 points, 1034 turns, killed by a goblin on hdf-eu 01:16 DIED: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 54 points, 21 turns, killed by a water demon on hdf-eu 01:28 DIED: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 1369 points, 2012 turns, killed by a werewolf on hdf-eu 01:31 [114k] Arnibald (arnibald) (Tou Hum Mal Neu) entered the Sokoban zoo, on T:7479 01:42 DIED: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 932 points, 1707 turns, killed by a hobbit on hdf-eu 01:48 -!- noty has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1] 01:49 DIED: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 835 points, 978 turns, killed by an elf zombie on hdf-eu 01:59 DIED: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 865 points, 1889 turns, killed by a grid bug, while frozen by a monster's gaze on hdf-eu 02:00 DIED: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 17 points, 236 turns, killed by a bolt of lightning on hdf-eu 02:12 DIED: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 1479 points, 2018 turns, killed by a manes, while unconscious from rotten food on hdf-eu 02:36 !who 02:36 FIQ: flump [07nd] Grasshopper [07nd] arnibald [114k] 02:36 ahh 02:50 [07nd] Grasshopper (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 2858 points, T:2477, killed by a black unicorn 03:09 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 03:09 -!- stenno is now known as Guest87919 03:10 !tell LarienTelrunya I will not have time for a tournament this November, because I am participating in NaTiDraMo. 03:10 jonadab: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2017-10-27 03:32 EDT: You are hereby cordially invited into my devnull clan, the name of which was inspired by you! *bundlebundlebundle* *cuddlecuddlecuddle* ♥ :) 03:10 Will do, jonadab! 03:11 aww... jonadab: you should be in my clan anyway, even if you won't play, just to celebrate our long-lasting evil patch partnership :) 03:11 LarienTelrunya: Message from jonadab at 2017-10-27 06:10 EDT: I will not have time for a tournament this November, because I am participating in NaTiDraMo. 03:11 jonadab: Going to miss the last devnull ever? 03:11 Mandevil: Yeah. 03:13 what is NaTiDraMo? 03:13 It's like NaNoWriMo, except instead of Writing a Novel, I am going to attempt to Draw a Tileset. In a month. 03:13 -!- Guest87919 has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 03:14 heh 03:14 that sounds like quite a challenge 03:14 It will be a challenge for me, because my artistic skills are... quite limited. 03:15 jonadab: is that going to further delay fourk 4.3.0.5? 03:15 However, I have chosen an artistic style for this tileset that will hopefully make it a bit easier. In particular, each tile is allowed one basic foreground color, no shading. So that keeps things somewhat simpler than in most tilesets. 03:16 LarienTelrunya: 4.3.0.5 was already definitely not going to make it in time for Junethack 2018, before this decision was made. 03:16 :( 03:17 DIED: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 946 points, 1986 turns, killed by a giant ant on hdf-eu 03:17 However, I hope to release 4.3.0.4 in December, if I can get the last kinks worked out of the Windows build process. 03:17 jonadab is getting a cue from the Dev Team. 03:17 so my samurai will still not be able to master his main weapon? 03:18 Why are you obsessed with Samurai? That's not even in the top ten list of things about 4.3.0.4 that need to be addressed. 03:18 e.g. current Sylph balance is *much* worse. 03:19 Besides, Samurai don't even wear high heels. 03:19 why not? in slex they do get the high heels skill :D 03:20 DIED: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 169 points, 866 turns, killed by a kobold, while fainted from lack of food on hdf-eu 03:20 also, who ever plays sylphs? 03:20 Right now, nobody plays sylphs. There are reasons for that. 03:20 I do 03:20 well, I did 03:20 Though their healing is still pretty good. 03:21 Well, I for one play non-slex variants during tournaments to get trophies, so obviously a character that has a legitimate shot at ascending and doesn't involve weird shenanigans or pedantic conducts are the best choice. 03:21 Ah, so Barbarian. 03:21 Or Ranger. 03:21 Maybe Wizard. 03:22 urgh, I don't know how to spellcaster in vanilla, because the slightest bit of metal gear means 100% fail for everything 03:22 It doesn't. 03:22 Not by a long shot. 03:22 That... is not even close to being the biggest problem for spellcasters in vanilla. 03:23 The big problem for spellcasters in vanilla is that they have to fight six or seven monsters between the time that they shoot force bolt and the time that they have enough Pw to do it again. 03:23 (I exaggerate. A little. But it's a real problem.) 03:24 Though Fourk kind of addresses the other too, because wielding a quarterstaff reduces failure rates. 03:24 Which is silly. 03:25 ah the energy regeneration problem, and then once you have the wizard quest artifact you have infinite Pw regeneration all of a sudden :P 03:25 DIED: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 1186 points, 1205 turns, killed by a dingo on hdf-eu 03:25 LarienTelrunya: Fourk addresses the Pw regen problem, a little too much in .4. I intend to peel it back a bit in .5 03:25 YANI: energy regeneration should not be hungerless. 03:25 As if NetHack was well thought out game... 03:25 Right now, Fourk wizards are OP. 03:25 Mandevil: Heh. 03:27 woo a 5x7 hardware store 03:28 Nice. 03:28 not much that I want/need though 03:29 I can afford a key and a magic whistle and I'll have the cat bring me a towel and a stethoscope 03:30 That's not a bad haul. I mean, sure, you always hope for a magic lamp and a bag of holding. 03:30 And a tinning kit. 03:30 yeah 03:30 BUt a stethoscope and a magic whistle are really nice to have too. 03:30 yes, exactly 03:30 And the key and towel... well, you'd have gotten those soon anyway, but. 03:30 not a single bag though, I'd have liked at least a sack 03:30 Yeah. 03:32 What do people use tinnin kits for? 03:32 I always ignore them. 03:32 Aren't they like super heavy? 03:32 intrinsics 03:32 not super 03:33 But you can just eat the corpses, or does it increase the chance? 03:33 khoR: They're a bit heavy, but you can tin every giant you kill and eat them all, nom nom nom. 03:33 I use them to deal with trolls 03:33 or tin killer bees and get poison resistance without being poisoned 03:33 I usually use GoP so strength is not a issu. 03:33 yes, that too 03:33 issue* 03:33 tins make food safe? 03:33 Most foods. 03:33 I always avoided eating tins of poisonous monsters. lol 03:33 Doesn't work with cockatrice meat. 03:36 YASI: When you eat cockatrice: "This tastes just like chicken! You turn to stone." 03:37 actually maybe it already does that? 03:37 I have not tried it. 03:37 -!- Grassy has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:37 I don't think it does 03:37 Tangles: If you are a xorn, you can eat it, and it tastes like chicken. 03:37 well, does turn you to stone, doesn't taste like chicken 03:37 ooh 03:38 or a yellow dragon I suppose 03:38 jonadab: Really? that's cool :) 03:38 TDTTOE 03:38 I think so. 03:39 Yes, eat.c line 1671ish. 03:39 (I'm a few commits behind, so it's possible the line number changed slightly.) 03:40 (But if you search for "chicken", you can find it easily.) 03:47 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 03:48 -!- Yeti218 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:34 -!- foos has joined #hardfought 04:34 are eu-hdf bones separate from hdf bones 04:37 if they are, that's a pretty big bummer - just when hdf started having a healthy variety of bones, now one server+variant combo can be entirely populated with bones of one player, again. or desolate 04:38 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 04:38 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 04:40 -!- foos has quit [Quit: *poof*] 04:46 -!- aosdict has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:47 !tell foos all the devnull bones files are going to be cleared before the tournament starts anyway. 04:47 Will do, jonadab! 04:49 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 04:49 -!- HTTPS has joined #hardfought 04:50 argh, all those bones that foos is complaining about are probably mine 04:50 things like that can make me stop playing 04:50 I've been known to skip an entire tournament because people were commenting on my deaths 04:51 Eh, nothing about his comment suggests to me that he had you in mind particularly. 04:51 "bones of one player" can only be me, I've been littering the hdf-eu mines with bones 04:51 And I highly doubt you'll be the only person to die in the tournament. 04:52 not in the tournament, no 04:53 DIED: Tangles (Kni-Hum-Mal-Law), 0 points, 1 turns, slipped while mounting a saddled pony on altorg 04:54 DIED: Tangles (Ran-Hum-Mal-Neu), 107 points, 34 turns, killed by a fire elemental of Venus, while praying on altorg 04:54 damn you Venus 04:54 K2: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2017-10-27 03:34 EDT: why am I supposed to remember if someone else does not solicit players for their clans randomly? it's their decision; I, for one, like to use the "machinegun-like" method of trying to get clan members :D 04:57 DIED: Tangles (Sam-Hum-Fem-Law), 8 points, 30 turns, killed by a water moccasin on altorg 04:58 DIED: Tangles (Cav-Dwa-Fem-Law), 0 points, 5 turns, killed by a falling object on altorg 04:59 DIED: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 2855 points, 4021 turns, killed by an Uruk-hai on hdf-eu 04:59 DIED: Tangles (Arc-Gno-Fem-Neu), 12 points, 64 turns, killed by a jackal on altorg 04:59 if I didn't like *getting* bones so much I'd set !bones so I don't annoy people 05:00 * K2 loves bones 05:00 esp when you find multiple on same level 05:01 I like the little detective stories 05:02 who found the other's grave 05:02 Beholder: hi 05:02 ais523: Message from aosdict at 2017-10-26 22:32 EDT: I was writing up some stuff about design principles and high headroom is one of them, made an attempt to define it and wanted to run it by you: "When the player faces a strategic or tactical problem, the available options should be roughly equally viable." 05:03 DIED: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 293 points, 1017 turns, killed by a brown mold on hdf-eu 05:04 DIED: Tangles (Arc-Gno-Fem-Neu), 536 points, 223 turns, killed by a gas spore's explosion on altorg 05:04 !message aosdict I think that's the extremes of high headroom and few people go that far: a better representation would be "when the player faces a strategic problem, choosing a suboptimal option is typically punished only mildly unless the player really persists in making bad decisions" 05:04 err, is that the right syntax? 05:04 Beholder: help 05:04 !help 05:04 ais523: https://www.hardfought.org/nethack 05:04 !tell aosdict I think that's the extremes of high headroom and few people go that far: a better representation would be "when the player faces a strategic problem, choosing a suboptimal option is typically punished only mildly unless the player really persists in making bad decisions" 05:04 Will do, ais523! 05:05 !tell aosdict I'm coming to think that headroom doesn't apply to tactical situations at all (after seeing Crypt of the Necrodancer and HyperRogue); I'll need to write up my thoughts on that at some point 05:05 Will do, ais523! 05:10 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 05:10 -!- stenno is now known as Guest28042 05:10 !commands 05:10 Tangles: available commands are !help !ping !time !pom !hello !booze !beer !potion !tea !coffee !whiskey !vodka !rum !tequila !scotch !goat !lotg !d(1-1000) !(1-50)d(1-1000) !8ball !rng !role !race !variant !tell !source !lastgame !lastasc !asc !streak !rcedit !scores !sb !setmintc !whereis !players !who !commands 05:10 Should really bne part of !help 05:10 -n 05:13 DIED: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 2158 points, 2915 turns, killed by an Uruk-hai on hdf-eu 05:14 -!- Guest28042 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:21 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Page closed] 05:26 DIED: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 87 points, 444 turns, killed by an arrow on hdf-eu 05:34 DIED: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 520 points, 3271 turns, killed by a sewer rat, while fainted from lack of food on hdf-eu 05:35 -!- aosdict has joined #hardfought 05:37 DIED: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 36 points, 90 turns, killed by a jackal on hdf-eu 05:37 DIED: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 4 points, 59 turns, killed by a bolt of lightning on hdf-eu 05:38 -!- NeroOneTrueKing has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:40 DIED: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 42 points, 923 turns, killed by a water demon on hdf-eu 05:41 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 05:41 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 05:43 DIED: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 427 points, 1019 turns, killed by a hobbit on hdf-eu 05:46 . 05:46 aosdict: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2017-10-27 01:54 EDT: "you eaten %d times" is not a bug; it is a nongrammatical sentence, but I decided that it's funny enough to be declared a feature :) 05:46 aosdict: Message from ais523 at 2017-10-27 08:04 EDT: I think that's the extremes of high headroom and few people go that far: a better representation would be "when the player faces a strategic problem, choosing a suboptimal option is typically punished only mildly unless the player really persists in making bad decisions" 05:46 aosdict: Message from ais523 at 2017-10-27 08:05 EDT: I'm coming to think that headroom doesn't apply to tactical situations at all (after seeing Crypt of the Necrodancer and HyperRogue); I'll need to write up my thoughts on that at some point 05:47 lol, that was an uncursed amulet of change 05:47 ais523: cool, I thought I was probably off 05:48 I think headroom's about winning and losing, really; it's OK if you make the game harder in response to an unwise / "for fun" decision, as long as it's still reasonably possible 05:49 Urignac says "You be careful with my runed dagger!" 05:51 ais523: so since I'm trying to keep it short and snappy, how about "When the player faces a strategic problem, they are not punished heavily for picking a single suboptimal choice." 05:52 yes, I like that 05:52 headroom is about giving the user options. It does have an effect on difficulty, but it's not the only factor. In NetHack, Tourist has significantly more headroom than Barbarian, but is probably a harder role to win. 05:52 and believe it's true for NetHack 05:53 (Which reminds me, I should do a Barbarian asc at some point.) 05:53 jonadab: I'd argue it's more about not blocking off options (which is almost but not quite the same thing) 05:53 Ok, sure. 05:56 And note that options only count if they're meaningful in some way. Letting the barbarian choose between a battle axe that does d6+2d4 damage versus a mighty runed axe that does 3d5 damage doesn't really count as headroom. 05:56 Eh, from ais' original essay on it, that sounds very close to the infinite-headroom end of the scale 05:57 And a choice between a T-shirt with a funny slogan and a hawaiian shirt, with identical stats, is not a meaningful choice at all. 05:57 (which, yes, is generally higher than anyone balances for) 05:57 aosdict: I'd argue that most commercial non-roguelike RPGs are infinite headroom 05:58 The T-shirt/hawaiian shirt choice, at least as far as strategy is concerned, seems like infinite headroom as well 05:58 aosdict: The T-shirt/hawaiian shirt choice doesn't count as a choice. 05:58 It's purely cosmetic. 05:58 Axe versus bow is a meaningful choice. 05:58 jonadab: yes, which seems like the definition of infinite headroom 05:58 aosdict: No., 05:58 It only counts as headroom if it lets you play the game differently. 05:59 * raisse is rereading the headroom article 05:59 aosdict: jonadab's talking about a choice where both options are clearly pretty much identical 05:59 and thus it isn't really a choice from the strategic sense (but may be from a flavour sense) 05:59 If it's not clear whether an axe or a bow is more powerful, but they're obviously _different_, and you get to pick between them and can use either, that's headroom. 06:00 ais523: based on this sentence: "no matter who you are or which choice you make, it won't affect your odds of winning the game" 06:00 is given as the example of one extreme 06:00 The axe never runs out of ammo and does more damage per hit, but only works at close range, so you have trade-offs, and either path can lead to victory. 06:01 and the choice of shirts (assuming you do have that choice) seems like a textbook example of that 06:02 aosdict: If that were our definition, we could achieve infinite headroom by letting the player choose the color of each piece of armor. "I wanna wear red boots this game." 06:02 Bonus points if this doesn't even change anything about how the boots are displayed, except for listing them in inventory as "red". 06:02 jonadab: yes but the point is that infinite headroom is NOT the goal of a well-designed game 06:03 aosdict: What you're talking about isn't headroom at all. 06:03 NOt _strategic_ headroom, anyway. 06:03 It's just... cosmetics. 06:03 jonadab: I think your comments are out of context with aosdict's 06:06 jonadab: my interpretation is that infinite headroom means that the player's choices do not affect their chances of winning the game 06:07 (and the other extreme is zero headroom where there are perfectly right and perfectly wrong choices) 06:08 DIED: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Mal-Neu), 1615 points, 2270 turns, killed by a hill orc, while sleeping off a magical draught on hdf-eu 06:08 aosdict: I think that makes sense 06:08 but it's not what jonadab's talking about; he's arguing about what should be defined /as/ a choice, rather than what the effect of a choice should be 06:08 aosdict: strategic headroom is where the player's choices _do_ have effects within the game, and change _how_ the player plays, but don't fundamentally change the odds of winning. 06:09 jonadab: infinite and zero headroom are both seen in practical games 06:09 Brogue can be close to zero headroom, in some seeds. 06:09 Chess has fairly low headroom if your opponent is actually good. 06:10 tic-tac-toe has zero headroom. 06:10 jonadab: it's nonzero in some cases 06:10 the less headroom, the better computers are at it, right? 06:10 e.g. if your opponent starts on an edge tile, you have multiple different ways to draw the game 06:10 I think only if someone makes a mistake? 06:10 ais523: Starting on an edge tile is objectively a wrong move though. 06:10 and likewise, starting in the centre vs. in a corner is a stylistic choice you can make 06:11 Ah, that... maybe. 06:11 but tic-tac-toe is the sort of thing that has very low headroom 06:11 a game like nim has even lower headroom 06:11 Tetris has fairly high headroom. 06:11 Don't know nim. 06:11 jonadab: I think you would argue that infinite headroom is more or less unattainable then? 06:11 in cases where you have any move that wins the game, it's normally one of only a few options 06:12 aosdict: It would be difficult to achieve, certainly. 06:12 aosdict: I'd say infinite headroom is trivial, just make a game with no unwinnable states 06:12 Pokémon, for example 06:12 you can lose individual battles but there's (intended to be) no way to lose the game as a whole 06:12 although people often find sufficiently insane ways to do it 06:13 Hmm, so like a version of NetHack with an overworld and unfinitely many randomly-generated dungeons, and if you lose in one dungeon you just get kicked out and have to go to a different dungeon? 06:14 NOt sure that really works with permadeath, though. 06:15 half of NetHack's mechanics are designed around permaconsequence, and a few around permadeath specifically 06:15 ais523: but assuming the game does have unwinnable states, I think any example I could contrive of where the options are strategically identical would just be deemed a cosmetic choice by jonadab. 06:15 unless you count individual YAFMs as mechanisc 06:15 aosdict: I guess there are two ways to be strategically identical 06:16 DIED: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 654 points, 807 turns, killed by a gecko on hdf-eu 06:16 either the options play out identically; or they play out differently but are good in the same circumstances 06:16 the latter is likely to be seen as a genuine choice by players 06:17 ais523: I can't think of any mechanic that lets things play out differently that doesn't give (context-dependent) advantages to either one 06:18 aosdict: well even jonadab's examples aren't quite symmetrical; d6+2d4 is not quite identical to 3d5, after all 06:18 but the differences can be small enough for people not to notice 06:18 and "small enough" can be "quite large" in a game like NetHack 06:18 not to notice in terms of win chance, I mean 06:18 anyway, I need to go, but it's been nice talking to everyone 06:18 bye! 06:18 -!- ais523 has quit [Quit: quit] 06:24 aosdict: strategically identical is not the same thing as strategically equivalent. 06:25 Like I said, I think it's (theoretically) possible to balance a strong melee weapon versus a ranged weapon so that they give very similar chances of winning, but with different play styles. 06:26 Not saying NetHack is perfectly balanced like that, of course. 06:36 DIED: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 606 points, 458 turns, killed by a coyote on hdf-eu 06:37 -!- nht has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:40 -!- HTTPS has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:42 -!- HTTPS has joined #hardfought 06:42 -!- HTTPS has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:42 -!- HTTPS has joined #hardfought 06:43 -!- HTTPS has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:43 This goblin corpse tastes terrible! Poes is splashed by its acid! 06:54 -!- HTTPS has joined #hardfought 06:58 -!- HTTPS has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 06:59 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 07:00 -!- stenno is now known as Guest29452 07:04 -!- Guest29452 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:06 DIED: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 5004 points, 6115 turns, killed by a killer bee on hdf-eu 07:09 DIED: RyanDorkoski (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 5007 points, 5278 turns, killed by an iron golem on hardfought 07:11 -!- Haudegen has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:21 DIED: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 4330 points, 2310 turns, killed by an Uruk-hai on hdf-eu 07:46 -!- reapersan has quit [Quit: welp night y'all, get well soon grasshopper] 07:46 -!- reapersan has joined #hardfought 07:46 goodness, In:11 07:46 it's a miracle that they let her into wizard school 07:47 extreme affirmative-action gnome 07:48 light at 6% fail without even an orcish helm 07:50 wisdom scoe ok at least? 07:50 score 07:50 13 07:50 not much 07:50 hrm 07:50 wizards don't do anything with wisdom anyway? 07:50 well power regen and how much they earn per lvl gain 07:50 i thought at least 07:53 DIED: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 1205 points, 1560 turns, killed by a rock mole on hdf-eu 07:53 gaining a couple of levels helped, but then I got killed by a rock mole 07:56 DIED: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 144 points, 659 turns, killed by a fox on hdf-eu 07:57 DIED: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 0 points, 12 turns, killed by a water moccasin on hdf-eu 08:01 @d?earth elemental 08:01 earth elemental (07,01E) | Lvl: 8 | Diff: 10 | Spd: 6 | Res: fire cold poison petrification | Confers: nothing | MR: 30 | Generates: gehennom dungeons | AC: 2 | Attacks: 6d6 claw physical | Alignment: 0 | Flags: phases, breathless, mindless, thick hide, vegan 08:01 whew stoning resis 08:04 [07nd] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Neu) tasted meat for the first time, by eating a floating eye corpse, on T:4029 08:08 [07nd] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Neu) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:4693 08:09 huh, the RNG has given me 4 leprechaun halls so far, by dlvl 14 08:10 [13dnh] rikersan (Ana Elf Mal Cha), 68450 points, T:8645, killed by a death ray 08:10 fuck, forgot I didn't have reflection anymore 08:11 [08un] sullysully (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 6062 points, T:4105, quit 08:11 [07nd] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed wand of death", on T:5008 08:18 -!- NeroOneTrueKing has joined #hardfought 08:24 -!- NeroOneTrueKing has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:24 -!- khoR has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 08:26 -!- raisse has quit [Quit: Raisse suddenly disappears!] 08:26 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 08:26 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 08:28 !tell khoR stay safe 08:28 Will do, aosdict! 08:28 [08un] sullysully (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1033 points, T:1973, killed by a rabid rat 08:29 -!- HTTPS has joined #hardfought 08:30 -!- Porkman has joined #hardfought 08:30 [10fh] Crawdaunt (Luxidream) (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 25759 points, T:1287, killed by a gnomish wizard's force bolt 08:31 !rng muck about some more, ascend 08:31 Porkman: ascend 08:32 fine 08:33 DIED: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 977 points, 2601 turns, killed by a giant bat on hdf-eu 08:42 -!- reapersan has quit [Quit: welp night y'all, get well soon grasshopper] 08:44 !tell reapersan I'm here :p 08:44 Will do, Porkman! 08:45 hmm 08:45 does the protection from priest count differently from that you get by eating rings? 08:45 i mean, i have a ton and a half of protection from eating rings, but only like 8 or 9 of it from donations 08:45 can I still get up to +20? 08:46 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 08:46 -!- stenno is now known as Guest10793 08:51 -!- aosdict has quit [Quit: Quit] 08:52 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 09:18 [08un] sullysully (Bar Orc Mal Cha) killed the ghost of krm26, the former Embalmer, on T:1724 09:21 -!- Guest10793 is now known as stenno 09:22 !hello 09:22 Hello stenno, Welcome to #hardfought 09:22 -!- stenno is now known as Guest84110 09:22 :| 09:22 -!- Guest84110 has quit [Changing host] 09:22 -!- Guest84110 has joined #hardfought 09:22 -!- Guest84110 is now known as stenno 09:24 -!- NeroOneTrueKing has joined #hardfought 09:30 [08un] sullysully (Bar Orc Mal Cha) killed the ghost of sullysully, the former Thaumaturge, on T:2843 09:31 "There is a newt corpse here; eat it [ynq] Blecch! Rotten food! You feel rather light headed. You feel a mild buzz." 09:31 yeah! partially fermented newt, better than absinthe 09:33 [08un] sullysully (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 5778 points, T:2870, killed by an exploding wand 09:38 [04gh] Grasshopper (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 1607 points, T:2061, zombified by a kobold zombie 09:43 ?You feel as though you can see the world from a whole new angle! 09:44 Porkman: you gained clairvoyance 09:44 intrinsically. 09:44 It will time out eventually. 09:54 -!- HTTPS has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:57 aha, okay thanks 09:58 -!- HTTPS has joined #hardfought 09:59 -!- reapersan has joined #hardfought 10:01 21 smokies, no djinni :p 10:04 RIP 10:04 reapersan: Message from Porkman at 2017-10-27 11:44 EDT: I'm here :p 10:05 [10fh] NeroOneTrueKing (Mon Elf Fem Cha), 64805 points, T:10536, killed by Master Kaen 10:07 question... in the enlightenment screen 10:07 how much is "a large damage bonus" 10:07 7-12 10:07 nice 10:07 13 or more is "huge" 10:07 that gets added to every bullet I fire? 10:08 yes 10:15 [13dnh] porkman (Ana Inc Fem Cha) destroyed Lich, the Fiend of Earth, on T:67530 10:16 [13dnh] porkman (Ana Inc Fem Cha) killed Kary, the Fiend of Fire, on T:67613 10:21 -!- StinkyGreene has joined #hardfought 10:21 [13dnh] porkman (Ana Inc Fem Cha) killed Kraken, the Fiend of Water, on T:67849 10:21 -!- NeroOneTrueKing has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:26 -!- HTTPS has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:26 [13dnh] porkman (Ana Inc Fem Cha) killed Tiamat, the Fiend of Wind, on T:67993 10:26 -!- HTTPS has joined #hardfought 10:29 -!- HTTPS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:29 -!- HTTPS_ has joined #hardfought 10:31 [13dnh] porkman (Ana Inc Fem Cha) killed Garland, on T:68114 10:31 [13dnh] porkman (Ana Inc Fem Cha) destroyed Chaos, on T:68116 10:31 BFG > chaos 10:32 -!- HTTPS_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:32 -!- HTTPS has joined #hardfought 10:34 porkman: there's a portal back 10:34 you don't have to go through all the stairs 10:34 1-way, at the bottom of the chaos level 10:34 lol 10:36 -!- HTTPS has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:42 -!- HTTPS has joined #hardfought 10:43 [10fh] Boomerang Monkey (Luxidream) (Cav Dwa Mal Law), 27030 points, T:1690, poisoned by a giant spider 10:43 -!- HTTPS has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:44 [07nd] munterplant (Val Hum Fem Law) wished for "", on T:23654 10:45 huh 10:45 what does that get you 10:47 [07nd] munterplant (Val Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed +2 rustproof helm of brilliance", on T:23682 10:53 @d?grove guardian 10:53 grove guardian (07,01') | Lvl: 17 | Diff: 20 | Spd: 3 | Res: sleep poison | Confers: nothing | MR: 120 | Generates: gehennom dungeons | AC: 4 | Attacks: 4d10 weapon physical, 4d6 breath sleep | Alignment: 0 | Flags: breathless, mindless, thick hide, vegan 10:54 Porkman: I think a random item probably. 10:54 (You can explictly wish for "nothing" if you want, which does not break wishless.") 10:55 s/[.]["]/./; 10:58 @d?vitrean 10:58 vitrean ~3~ kitten (00,01f) | Lvl: 2 | Diff: 3 | Spd: 18 | Res: none | Confers: nothing | MR: 0 | Generates: gehennom dungeons | AC: 6 | Attacks: 1d6 bite physical | Alignment: -5 | Flags: genocidable, carnivore, infravisible 10:58 @d?ice vitrean 10:58 No such monster. 11:01 -!- StinkyGreene has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:03 CHALLENGE ACCEPTED! Hookshot accepted the Pool challenge. 11:05 DIED: Hookshot (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 336 points, 510 turns, killed by an arrow on hardfought 11:12 -!- reapersan has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 11:16 CHALLENGE ACCEPTED! McGravin accepted the Pool challenge. 11:21 -!- Wooble has joined #hardfought 11:21 -!- Wooble is now known as geoffspear 11:27 -!- reapersan has joined #hardfought 11:27 DIED: hothraxxa (Kni-Hum-Fem-Law), 2601 points, 6665 turns, killed by a warhorse called Fugger on hardfought 11:27 fuck you waldo 11:28 [10fh] Affirmative Action (Luxidream) (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed fixed greased +2 blue dragon scale mail", on T:6349 11:29 hmm 11:29 ancient of death 11:29 just won't die 11:30 @d?ancient of death 11:30 ancient of death (14,01&) | Lvl: 15 | Diff: 22 | Spd: 4 | Res: fire cold poison drain | Confers: nothing | MR: 88 | Generates: gehennom | AC: -44 | Attacks: 88d1 weapon vorpal, 88d1 weapon level drain, 88d1 suicide explode physical | Alignment: 14 | Flags: flies, phases, seeinvis, poisonous, invisible, demon, stalker 11:31 porkman: warned you about them :p 11:32 how can i kill it 11:32 honestly? best bet is to ignore them, they're slow 11:33 it doesn't die even after unloading 100 bullets into it 11:33 but otherwise? idk keep shooting it I think 11:33 tbh it might be bugged 11:33 but I don't think so 11:33 I know there's a bug w/ the explosion on death, and you can check it's hp if you have a wand of probing 11:33