00:23 -!- nht has joined #hardfought 00:31 DIED: nht (Mon-Hum-Mal-Cha), 3917 points, killed by a rothe, while dragging an iron ball on hdf-eu 00:33 DIED: nht (Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu), 297 points, killed by a gnome lord on hdf-eu 00:41 it's actually dnh, spork, slex, nethack4, 4k, fh, dyna 00:45 and though grasshopper is playing tribute I can't start a game 01:00 raisse: probably never disconnected 01:01 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #hardfought 01:03 -!- elenmirie has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:03 -!- elenmirie_ is now known as elenmirie 01:21 -!- nht has quit [Quit: nht] 01:28 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:57 i know why 01:57 K2: Message from FIQ at 2017-10-21 13:29 EDT: you seem to have broken things, I can't play fiqhack anymore 01:57 K2: Message from FIQ at 2017-10-21 13:39 EDT: Pushed updates. See commit description for how to activate it 01:57 when i did that tweak in dgl to fix the whereis bit for unnethack 01:58 every other game underneath it in the config isnt loading 01:58 looking at it now 02:03 fixed 02:03 one comma in wrong spot 02:03 sorry folks 02:16 !players 02:16 K2: k2 [15nh] Grasshopper [07nd] 02:16 !whereis k2 02:16 K2: k2 [15nh]: (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) T:1 The Dungeons of Doom level: 1 02:16 !players 02:16 K2: k2 [04gh] Grasshopper [07nd] 02:16 !players 02:16 K2: Grasshopper [07nd] 02:17 yeah sometimes something bad has to happen for something good to happen later on 02:17 cleaning up a couple discrepancies with whereis file handling with other variants 02:18 that I am now noticing 02:18 !players 02:18 K2: Grasshopper [07nd] k2 [08un] 02:18 !players 02:18 K2: Grasshopper [07nd] 02:18 !players 02:18 K2: k2 [13dnh] Grasshopper [07nd] 02:18 !players 02:18 K2: Grasshopper [07nd] 02:19 !players 02:19 K2: k2 [14sp] Grasshopper [07nd] 02:19 !players 02:19 K2: Grasshopper [07nd] 02:19 !whereis 02:19 K2: Grasshopper [07nd] 02:19 !whereis k2 02:19 K2: k2 is not currently playing. 02:19 ^ correct 02:26 -!- K2 changed the topic on #hardfought to: Welcome to Hardfought - https://www.hardfought.org/ - public irc logs available on website ¤ Public NetHack server - ssh nethack@hardfought.org ¤ Hardfought turns 17 yrs old today! (10/22/2017) 02:30 oh, happy birthday, hardfought! 02:31 \o/ 02:35 -!- Beholder has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:36 -!- Beholder has joined #hardfought 02:36 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Beholder] by ChanServ 02:36 !players 02:36 K2: k2 [10fh] 02:36 !whereis k2 02:36 K2: k2 [10fh]: No details available 02:36 hmm 02:38 -!- Beholder has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:38 -!- Beholder has joined #hardfought 02:38 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Beholder] by ChanServ 02:38 !players 02:38 K2: k2 [10fh] 02:38 !whereis k2 02:38 K2: k2 [10fh]: (Mon Hum Mal Neu) T:11 The Dungeons of Doom level: 1 02:38 \o/ 02:39 FIQhack updated 02:39 ^ whereis now works with FIQhack 02:42 !whereis k2 02:42 K2: k2 is not currently playing. 02:42 ok good 02:43 and dgl is releasing all .whereis files now properly across all variants that use it 02:44 !tell jonadab possible to add whereis capability to Fourk? see FIQ's commit for FIQhack - https://github.com/FredrIQ/fiqhack/commit/a380fa4dcc4b8c9ffa6297517909ecc55be69148 02:44 Will do, K2! 03:16 K2: Pushed that yesterday :-) 03:16 jonadab: Message from K2 at 2017-10-22 05:44 EDT: possible to add whereis capability to Fourk? see FIQ's commit for FIQhack - https://github.com/FredrIQ/fiqhack/commit/a380fa4dcc4b8c9ffa6297517909ecc55be69148 03:17 hah 03:19 However, until we track down why Fourk on hardfought.org has memory corruption in the status area, I don't think many folks will be playing it. 03:19 I was hoping you could tell me what specific compiler you use. 03:20 Because I can't reproduce the issue on any other system. ascrun doesn't have it either. 03:24 this is the script we use to build Fourk - http://sprunge.us/jZLV 03:24 * jonadab looks. 03:24 NetHack Fourk updated 03:24 btw 03:25 I'm going to try with those specific CFLAGS here. 03:26 ok 03:27 where does fourk create it's .whereis file when someone is playing? 03:27 I didn't change that, so should be the same as FIQHack. 03:27 ok 03:28 flag the same as fiqhack also? 03:28 I didn't change the commit at all, it cherry-picked cleanly. 03:28 ok 03:29 Well, I mean, there were merge conflicts, but they were all the stupid top-of-file last-edited-when comments. 03:29 Those happen every time I merge anything from FIQ these days, because he turned on the git hook that updates them every commit. 03:30 i added the -DWHEREIS flag to the build script 03:30 I asked the git folks a while back if there's a way to get git to not see that as a conflict and automatically just fix it; they said no. 03:31 ok now its working 03:32 -rw-rw---- 1 games games 171 Oct 22 06:31 k2.whereis 03:32 !whereis 03:32 jonadab: jonadab [114k] k2 [114k] 03:32 now i just need to update beholder to actually use it 03:32 !whereis k2 03:32 K2: k2 [114k]: No details available 03:32 yup, one sec 03:32 didnt the makefile also conflict 03:33 !whereis by itself is a bit misleading given the context 03:33 K2: by is not currently playing. 03:33 FIQ: Well, yes, but I just removed that. 03:33 (I don't have the makefile on my master branch.) 03:33 Also, I am playing Fourk on hardfought now and not seeing the weird status area issue. 03:34 -!- Beholder has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:34 -!- Beholder has joined #hardfought 03:34 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Beholder] by ChanServ 03:34 !whereis k2 03:34 K2: k2 [114k]: (Sam Hum Mal Law) T:7 The Dungeons of Doom level: 1 03:35 \o/ 03:35 does dgl show the info too 03:35 in watchlist 03:36 FIQ: can you still reproduce the Fourk memory corruption issue? 03:36 one sec 03:36 as far as i know, no nh4 based variants use the extrainfo capability of dgl 03:36 no 03:37 @ jona 03:37 extrainfo? 03:37 FIQ: Me neither. 03:37 That is mystifying. 03:37 But I suppose good. 03:38 I thought whereis and extrainfo was the same thing 03:39 extrainfo for dgl just shows you what level the player is on and if they have the amulet 03:41 yes but 03:41 is this another file 03:42 yes 03:42 so right now i have a 3.4.3 game loaded 03:42 here's the contents of k2.extrainfo 03:42 1| D1 03:42 thats it 03:43 D1 presumably means dungeons of doom level 1. 03:43 correct 03:43 The 1 means you're playing? 03:43 not sure 03:43 Alright, we'll have to look at the NAO code. 03:44 We can grep for "extrainfo" 03:44 so the 1 just meant i was on dlvl 1 03:44 now i am on dlvl 2 03:44 2| D2 03:44 this file can probably be made as part of update_whereis 03:44 I think the first number is a "weighting" 03:45 for sort order in the watch menu 03:45 oh 03:45 so you get one point per dungeon level, maybe 100 points for having the amulet, more points again for being in the planes, etc. 03:45 so maybe weight higher with A? 03:46 yeah 03:46 just realized sporkhack doesnt do extrainfo 03:46 * K2 adds that to to-do list 03:47 FIQ: It's just a hint for dgamelaunch, so when someone tries to sort the watch menu by extrainfo, it sorts higher values to the top. 03:47 yeah 03:48 I didn't know you could sort by that. 03:48 probably makes sense to ensure parity 03:49 Add 50 to the weight number for being a NH4 variant :-) 03:51 :P 03:51 P 04:04 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 04:04 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 04:37 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:47 DIED: Tangles (Mon-Hum-Mal-Neu), 27342 points, killed by a winter wolf cub on hdf-eu 04:48 oops 04:50 rip 04:50 Tangles: well at least we can deduce that NotTheOracle\dnt is working :) 04:52 -!- tacco| has joined #hardfought 04:56 heh 04:57 so the tribute games on both remotes wont be reported until the xlogfiles are synced with the main server 04:57 so at the longest, a one min delay 04:59 or 04:59 we could have the bot read from the remote servers xlogfiles directly 05:00 it took 05:00 doesnt really matter 05:00 10 minutes 05:00 to build the server version of FIQHack using aimake on my VPS 05:00 wtf aimake 05:00 and how long does it take using your regular method on same vps? 05:01 let me try in a moment 05:01 it isn't done yet 05:01 lol 05:01 [07nd] Eleven (Arc Hum Fem Neu), 180 points, T:884, killed by a small mimic 05:01 heh 05:03 ok aimake is done 05:04 now let's try the usual one 05:06 done 05:07 actually done a min ago-ish 05:07 so yeah 05:07 2-3min 05:07 vs 10+ 05:16 [07nd] Grasshopper (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed Yeenoghu, on T:54207 05:17 he was a wuz 05:20 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 05:20 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 05:21 !players 05:21 K2: Eleven [07nd] Grasshopper [07nd] k2 [114k] 05:21 !whereis 05:21 K2: Eleven [07nd] Grasshopper [07nd] k2 [114k] 05:21 !whereis k2 05:21 K2: k2 [114k]: (Wiz Syl Fem Neu) T:1 The Dungeons of Doom level: 1 05:25 -!- Tokage has joined #hardfought 05:26 !whereis K2 05:26 K2: k2 [114k]: (Wiz Syl Fem Neu) T:27 The Dungeons of Doom level: 1 05:27 [04gh] Tokage (Kni Elf Mal Law), 0 points, T:1, slipped while mounting a saddled pony called Howitzer 05:27 Tokage congrats on your recent grunthack ascension 05:27 Thanks. 05:27 Someone said I was good at this game, but if I were, I wouldn't keep dying on my first turn like just now. 05:28 everyone has their own play style 05:28 i like to takes reisks too 05:28 risks 05:29 but ascending grunthack that soon after playing it for first time, and no E word use to boot, that's impressive 05:29 Well, like I said then, I think the game's difficulty is rather overstated. 05:29 It's just the zombies that're absolute bullshit. 05:29 hah 05:30 Towards the end, the only trouble were the other adventurers with their reflection gear, rendering my magic missile useless, and the occasional vorpal-induced sudden death. 05:30 And of course Demogorgon. 05:30 i should make beholders non genocidable 05:30 Mmm. 05:30 Do something to fix the zombies while there. 05:30 zombies are fine as is 05:30 They're fucking not. 05:31 :) 05:31 They're harder than in vanilla, I get that. 05:31 But they can also wipe away entire branches on their own. 05:31 They're spawned in throne rooms for no reason, and kill everyone there as soon as I enter the level. 05:31 yup. that was the original authors intent 05:31 They're never kept down by anything, not even Turn ndead. 05:31 They are NOT fine. 05:31 you can keep them down with a tinning kit 05:32 or just kill them enough times, they'll eventually rot away 05:32 or of course genocide them 05:32 if i come across an early scroll of genocide, they are usually the first to go 05:32 They're infinitely too tough, take far too many kills to finally keep them down for good, and there's absolutely no conceivable reason Turn Undead shouldn't turn them to dust or something. 05:33 the turn undead bit isnt a bad idea... 05:33 DIED: roro256 (Bar-Orc-Mal-Cha), 995 points, killed by a newt on hardfought 05:33 Nor the bit where a single zombie can clear out all of Fort Ludios. 05:33 Changing that, I mean. 05:34 for now, zombies wont be changed. that's how sgrunt made them, and i'm trying to keep to the original authors intent as much as possible 05:34 Maybe take a page out of Infra Arcana and allow us to destroy their corpses. 05:35 You can. 05:35 the *only* deviation i've done from the original authors intent is a change to beholders, which actually makes them tougher, but they dont appear so early anymore either 05:36 There are at least half a dozen ways to destroy a corpse in NetHack. 05:36 None of them include just chopping it down with your sword, I'm pretty sure. 05:36 [07nd] Eleven (Arc Hum Fem Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:5355 05:37 Anyway, I appreciate honoring the author's original intent, but frankly, in this particular case sgrunt either didn't think this thing through or he's being a trolling cunt. Either way you could overrule him and make the damn things just a little bit more fragile. 05:38 Tokage: the whole point of GruntHack is to troll the player. 05:38 i'm leaning towards 'trolling cunt' 05:38 Why do you think monsters at the Castle will unlock the chest, take out the wand of wishing, wish for things to kill you with, _recharge the wand_, wish for more things to kill you with... 05:38 i think grunt made his variant while going through a bad breakup 05:38 They do that? 05:39 There's Elbereth on it and everything. 05:39 @ ignore Elbereth. 05:39 Tokage if the soldier is human or elven they'll get into the chest 05:39 you havent played enough grunthack games to know how truly evil it can be 05:40 * K2 knows how evil it can be 05:41 The door's also locked, and I've rarely seen anything break a door - and if it is, it's to get directly to me. 05:41 !players 05:41 K2: k2 [06nh4] Tokage [04gh] Eleven [07nd] 05:41 !whereis k2 05:41 K2: k2 [114k]: (Wiz Syl Fem Neu) T:27 The Dungeons of Doom level: 1 05:41 hmm 05:42 I am trying to figure out how I can know that a game has been successfully started from the server POV 05:46 [07nd] Eleven (Arc Hum Fem Neu), 978 points, T:7620, killed by a hobbit, while fainted from lack of food 05:52 Again with the "still eating" bug. I can't lead my horse downstairs - not even upstairs this time. 05:52 K2, maybe you should look into that? 05:52 I mean unless that wasn't trolling as well. 05:58 Yeah grunthack has some bugs. 05:58 We'll look at it. 05:58 Just got hit by a dart trap and the game crashed. 05:59 And, again, I'd consider a single zombie being able to wipe out a dungeon branch to be a bug in itself, but what do I know. 05:59 yeah the pet eating taking way too long has been on the to-do list for awhile 05:59 its taken a backseat to other projects of late 06:00 [04gh] Tokage (Kni Elf Mal Law), 0 points, T:41, killed by a rabid rat 06:00 Tokage: grunthack zombies are what they are... and it would not be grunthack without them. 06:00 I disagree. 06:00 There are ways to deal with them 06:00 I know, and I still disagree. 06:01 they are just not the same ways as you deal with zombies in vanilla 06:01 I KNOW, AND I STILL DISAGREE. 06:01 Tokage: then make your own fork of grunthack and play it 06:01 I've told you my reasoning. I've told you this isn't just about them being made tougher. 06:01 I would if I could. 06:02 * jonadab doesn't like GruntHack zombies either; they're more _tedious_ than difficult IMO. But that's GruntHack. It's an old-school variant. 06:02 It's seriously frustrating. Grunthack adds so many good gameplay features, fixes things, ramps up the difficulty, and all that stuff - but then you need to also deal with all this blatant trolling bullshit that adds nothing and is legitimately just put there to piss people off. 06:02 What I want is Brogue-style zombies, but that would be a lot of work. 06:02 !whereis k2 06:02 K2: k2 [114k]: (Wiz Syl Fem Neu) T:27 The Dungeons of Doom level: 1 06:02 Tokage: consider trying FIQHack. 06:02 It takes a lot of inspiration from GruntHack but adheres to the "interhack principle" per NH4. 06:02 !whereis k2 06:02 K2: k2 is not currently playing. 06:03 there we go 06:03 I'll give that a look. 06:03 !whereis k2 06:03 K2: k2 [06nh4]: No details available 06:03 ^ jonadab 06:03 from discussion in dev channel 06:03 Wait, how does it know you're playing NH4 then? 06:04 I'd be fine with the zombies, really, if they just wouldn't resurrect ad infinitum and Turn Undead would keep them down. That'd bring them down to tolerable levels while still keeping them a threat instead of a nuisance. 06:04 And also not become literal game breakers. 06:04 FIQHack zombies only revive if there's a standing zombie around. 06:04 So if you kill them _all_, you're good. 06:04 That sounds ideal. 06:05 apparently the server build has some issues: http://home.fiq.se/oops.png 06:05 (note the sidebar) 06:06 jonadab: If it can't find a whereis file, it falls back to the inprogress file, which is the same as what !players uses, and the same as the dgl watch menu uses also. 06:06 !who 06:06 FIQ: k2 [06nh4] Tokage [04gh] 06:06 Tangles: Ah. 06:07 Wait, he's playing on the server now? I thought he couldn't download the server, and it was slow and had no color. 06:08 I changed my mind and downloaded putty. 06:08 It's still pretty slow, though. 06:08 Also, fuck you. 06:08 -!- Tokage was kicked from #hardfought by Tangles [That's unecesary.] 06:11 Elronnd: ^ observe 06:12 tell kerio this is an actual legit reason to kick someone 06:12 kerio would never agree with that. 06:12 :) 06:12 kerio kicks whenever he feels like it 06:12 and notice it wasnt a ban 06:13 What I mean is, of all the reasons to kick someone, I can't imagine kerio doing it for use of the f-word. 06:13 ah 06:14 It wasn't the use of the word, so much as the contxt. 06:14 yeah, plenty of people say fuck and whatever in here 06:14 well, not "plenty" 06:14 but it happens 06:15 without kicks 06:15 Ah, so it was a straw that broke the camel's back, then. 06:15 right 06:15 i cuss all the time 06:15 its the context that matters 06:15 jonadab: also the fact that he directed it towards someone with spite 06:16 It was the manner in which it was directed, yes. 06:16 Did he atually ascend grunthack? I missed it. 06:17 he did! 06:17 which surprises me tbh 06:17 he seems to be an ass 06:17 but he can actually play 06:17 https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/T/Tokage/gh/dumplog/1508452277.gh.txt 06:18 didn't even use E 06:20 well, ascending Grunt isn't *THAT* hard. it isn't slex! 06:20 [12slex] Tarrant (Cha Bre Mal Neu), 16 points, T:79, killed by a system shock 06:22 K2: pushed several updates btw 06:28 [12slex] Tarrant (Mys Bre Fem Cha) averted death, on T:255 06:29 [12slex] Tarrant (Mys Bre Fem Cha), 118 points, T:349, killed by an icy touch 06:29 K2: congratulations on reaching 100 " FIQhack updated"s as of several hours ago! 06:31 lol 06:32 hahahah 06:33 weee! 06:33 FIQhack updated 06:33 :) 06:43 since then: 4k - 12, Spork - 1, Un - 1, dnh - 8, nh4 - 0, slex - 9, Grunt - 6 06:47 -!- Jendic has joined #hardfought 06:51 hah.. so more than 10x as many updates as slex 06:51 but probably the same amount of build time. 06:51 :) 06:51 -!- Jendic has quit [Client Quit] 06:51 -!- Jendic has joined #hardfought 06:55 -!- ri-corpse-san has joined #hardfought 07:00 DIED: Tangles (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 325 points, killed by a little dog on altorg 07:08 wow Tangles - 52 upvotes on your last annoucement post in /r/roguelikes 07:10 if I had a playing card for every upvote... 07:11 you would have more playing cards 07:12 * aosdict sells the playing cards to Mr. Pakka Pakka for 3 zorkmids apiece 07:14 heh 07:14 oh great 07:14 only way out of the room and it's flooded 07:14 :/ 07:15 DIED: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 156 points, killed by a kobold on hardfought 07:15 how do I get on hdf-eu? should be faster for me 07:15 ssh nethack@eu.hardfought.org 07:16 your dgl account is already there 07:16 thanks! 07:16 you'll want to pull over your rcfile with the neat function Tangles made 07:16 you'll see it in menu 07:16 ooh yes, done 07:16 nice 07:17 it's indeed noticeably faster 07:17 that's great 07:17 is hdf-eu going to be a permanent instance, or just for devnull? 07:18 right now just for devnull 07:18 however 07:18 i have time to think about it 07:19 I wouldn't mind donating, say, 10 euros a year towards its upkeep 07:19 right now the aws instance is a t2.micro, meaning it doesnt have nearly as many cpu/memory resources as hdf main 07:19 i'd have to plus it up some to have it be able to handle all the variants we offer 07:19 raisse: thank you very much! 07:20 because it would *only* handle nethack, it doesnt have to be as robust as hdf-main 07:20 mmmm 07:21 yeah the more i think about it, the more I want to make it happen 07:21 well, give me an email address to paypal my 10 euros :-) 07:21 heh 07:21 "A Hardfought In Every Timezone" would make a good campaign slogan 07:21 server donations is what helped me keep my game servers up way back when 07:22 or you might put a link on the menu, it doesn't need all the other variants anyway 07:22 I'm paying for our domain from my book donations 07:23 !whereis 07:23 aosdict: Jendic [07nd] 07:23 let me talk to dtype, he's the one who suggested I start using amazon's AWS service 07:23 he'd know best what instance i'd need 07:23 and i can price it out from there 07:23 hdf-main isn't on AWS though, right? 07:24 DIED: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 596 points, killed by a gnome zombie on hdf-eu 07:25 aosdict: correct 07:25 hdf main is in my house 07:25 i'm about 10 feet from it 07:27 YANI: in some variant that doesn't mind adding lots of artifacts like dnethack, place several fairly weak artifacts in the Archeologist locate and goal levels 07:27 raisse: i will send you my paypal email once i make a final decision 07:27 thanks! 07:28 but yes I am leaning towards 'yes lets make this a reality' 07:29 brb 07:32 DIED: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 227 points, killed by an unsuccessful polymorph on hdf-eu 07:34 Tangles: any chance we can get NotTheOracle\dnt to report turncount as well? 07:35 DIED: dgoddard (Mon-Hum-Mal-Cha), 7170 points, killed by a chameleon imitating an arch-lich, while dragging an iron ball on hardfought 07:40 now that's a unique one 07:40 aosdict: Yeah should be able to do turncount. 07:42 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 07:43 K2: if it means you can provide cross-server watching and a permanent EU instance, I'm happy to donate 07:43 aosdict: dnethack actually does that 07:43 not with arc quest 07:44 but some of the alignment quests has several guranteed artifacts 07:44 some useful, some less so 07:44 hmmm... finished all the quests and now going back to review what I wrote about each 07:45 I agree with jonadab that there is no reason for the Bar quest to descend into a cave 07:45 +raisse │ or you might put a link on the menu, it doesn't need all the other variants anyway 07:45 pfffffffffff 07:45 but if not a cave, what should it be? Thoth Amon is said to reside at the Duali Oasis, which is the locate level. What happens after that? 07:45 aosdict: and there is no reason the first floor needs to be a fullsize level that is completely dark 07:45 making it a PITA to find the stairs if you lack mapping 07:45 FIQ: thank you! 07:46