00:09 [10fh] Croesus (Luxidream) (Tou Gno Mal Neu) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:8349 00:10 [10fh] Croesus (Luxidream) (Tou Gno Mal Neu) wished for "blessed fixed greased +2 silver dragon scale mail", on T:8350 00:12 [10fh] Croesus (Luxidream) (Tou Gno Mal Neu) wished for "blessed fixed greased +2 gauntlets of power", on T:8417 01:42 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:47 -!- ais523 has quit [Quit: quit] 01:52 -!- JoeMaro has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:31 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 02:31 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 03:24 -!- nht has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:25 -!- nht has joined #hardfought 03:30 -!- nht has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 03:33 -!- tacco| has joined #hardfought 03:36 -!- nht has joined #hardfought 03:54 -!- Porkman has joined #hardfought 04:02 hi 04:02 Hello Porkman, Welcome to #hardfought 04:08 Amy, are you around? 04:21 lol, so slex anachronaut starts without a melee weapon. BUT the PET has a lightsaber 04:22 Man, have you ever tried to do a Google search for sandestin, to see what the lore is? Apparently it has a lot to do with golf and Florida. 04:41 a golf resort full of shapeshifting demons! 04:49 I'm tempted to do the sandestin's slashem-32 tile as a demon wearing golf pants and carrying a club. 04:49 But I don't think most players would get the joke. 04:51 !tell ais523 By the way, wanted to hear your opinion on this spoiler conundrum: do you still consider it spoiling if a first-time player downloads the source and immediately reads all of data.base, oracles.txt, rumors.tru and rumors.fal, and makes inferrals based on their content? 04:51 Will do, aosdict! 04:52 That's clearly an edge case. 04:52 The dev team has traditionally encouraged source diving, I think. 04:52 Though they probably had in mind that you would play the game a little first. 04:54 :) 04:56 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 04:57 jonadab: right, but actual source diving is pretty obviously spoiling yourself 04:58 True. 04:58 whereas the auxiliary data which doesn't require any programming knowledge to read could be gained in-game through brute force 05:01 this is perhaps more relevant in the NH4 equivalent, because the encyclopedia will more or less tell you which monsters exist and what their primary attributes are. 05:04 Oh, my philosophy at this point is to assume that the internet exists and if players want to know stuff they can easily find out, so anything that doesn't change from game to game (and thus could be discovered from spoilers or source diving) is fair game to display, not an information leak. 05:05 this discussion you're having, is why I proposed a couple yrs ago that Elbereth should not work until the hero discovers it in-game 05:07 its too powerful to be able to use from turn one 05:08 even in its nerfed state with 3.6.x 05:11 K2: anyone that hits Elbereth with more nerfs is going to be paying a steep price in player sentiments about the variant 05:12 games like DCSS appear to be able to get away with nerfing and blocking strategies because they are more centralized than nethack is (or at least the "official" version is far more popular than older versions and any variants) 05:13 but when 3.6.0 came out, many people swore off playing it because Elbereth was nerfed and decided to stick to 3.4.3 05:14 for those that want less of a challenge, that's fine I suppose 05:14 the E word change I proposed, I'd like to see that in grunthack 05:16 DCSS has so many versions publicly available and honored that you can choose your difficulty level 05:17 NH4 + variants allow some E word control 05:17 which is cool 05:17 but they will still drop things in trunk for awhile that can be ridiculously OP for awhile (Wu Jian, gnolls) 05:18 makes me wonder if in order for your nethack variant to be popular, you need to provide some significant buffs - you can't just simply rebalance. 05:19 options are a big part of it imo 05:19 The majority of the listed solutions on my balance issues page constitute nerfs... but I can't imagine any of them would be that popular. 05:19 give users the OPTION to do or change settings/behavior 05:19 they let the community playtest and debate, and yes, the nerfs win eventually - but it is more open that 361 05:20 NH4 + variants have more open spirit 05:20 firemonkey: I was thinking of dnethack, actually. 05:20 Like dnh 05:20 Quite popular, and you can get a lot of cool powerful things that you can't get anywhere else, never mind the fact that the challenges have been scaled up too. 05:21 dnh for me has a good balance of OP player and OP monsters 05:21 many options 05:22 I like it that I could engineer a plan to defeat Asmo instead of having little chance 05:41 hi 05:41 Hello FIQ, Welcome to #hardfought 05:42 triple trouble can happen if one of the Wizards decide to use turn undead 05:45 aosdict: I think players prefer rebalance by buffing rather than rebalance by taking things away 05:45 (Up to a point. You don't need to go as far as dNetHack) 05:48 K2: The problem with that (Elbereth doesn't work until discovered) is, it's backwards. 05:48 how so? 05:48 Very early is when the player _needs_ a safety mechanism; but it needs to be used up or wear out over time, because it can be spammed and cheesed. 05:49 I'm half tempted to nuke Elbereth from orbit and let all players start with a stack of three scrolls of scare monster. 05:49 Fireproof ones, even. 05:49 so your brand new lvl 1 adventurer is privy to the most powerful ward known? 05:50 why don't you think it's something universally taught? 05:50 that never made sense to me 05:50 to an adventurer beforehand 05:50 K2: How high-level was Frodo when he used it? 05:50 FIQ: yes, they do. the problem is it's harder to buff and maintain game balance 05:50 Was it in the late game, when he was in Mordor? 05:50 Or was it pretty early, at Weathertop? 05:50 frodo didnt start his adventure already knowing it 05:50 Frodo used it twice (verbally). 05:50 he learned of it 05:50 then used it 05:50 K2: When did he learn of it? 05:50 (Answer: before he left the Shire.) 05:51 hrm 05:51 He learned that the Nazgul were scared of it when he used it, though. 05:51 So he kind of stumbled into that. 05:51 But still. 05:52 But yeah, I think he knew the song from Bilbo. 05:52 Who probably learned it from the Elves. 05:52 (Likely in Rivendell.) 05:52 He knew the name of Elbereth before he met the High Elves in the Shire. 05:53 Of course, if we take this comparison too far, we could send Nazgul after the player starting from turn on, and that would be an evil patch idea. 05:53 aosdict: Yeah, pretty sure he learned it from Bilbo. 05:54 But setting flavor to one side, the gameplay of making the character learn Elbereth and _then_ allowing it to be used, is very wrong. 05:54 Exactly the opposite of the balance I want. 05:54 jonadab: I know K2 dislikes E strongly 05:55 which is probably why he wants to nerf it into oblivion :) 05:55 K2: Just #undef ELBERETH :-) 05:55 Absolutely everyone with no exceptions acknowledges that 3.4.3 Elbereth was grossly OP. 05:55 We just all have different ideas about how it should be nerfed. 05:55 jonadab: FIQHack still has 3.4.3 E 05:55 as does Grunt 05:56 in fact Grunt *buffed* Elbereth 05:56 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 05:56 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 05:56 Hmm, FIQHack buffs some important monster ranged attacks, though, and teaches monsters to use their ranged attacks more effectively. 05:58 True 05:58 also in FIQHack, like all NetHack4 variants, it's a conduct 05:58 Ideally, I'd kind of like "back off and use ranged attacks" to be a distinct AI state from "flee in terror", but that would _buff_ Elbereth, and I want it to not need nerfs before I do anything like that. 05:58 Also, it would require touching the AI code, not sure I am up to that. 06:02 apparently in FIQHack, Asmodeus wasn't happy with his original form 06:02 so he drank a potion of polymorph 06:03 cant just compile with E word 06:03 you have to have the ability to use it, have that temptation 06:03 and then win the game without using it 06:03 *compile without 06:06 I have no idea why this happened 06:07 [13dnh] porkman (Ana Inc Fem Cha), 2536 points, T:1114, killed by a gas spore's explosion 06:09 lol asmo living on the egde 06:09 edge 06:10 [13dnh] porkman (Ana Inc Fem Cha), 8 points, T:39, killed by a water moccasin 06:10 Absolutely everyone with no exceptions acknowledges that 3.4.3 Elbereth was grossly OP. <-- the people who still persist in playing 3.4.3 because they don't want to live in a world without its E would like to have a word with you 06:11 What's the option to get HP line colored 06:12 so that it goes red when you are low HP 06:13 what version 06:21 [13dnh] porkman (Ana Inc Fem Cha), 2366 points, T:1211, killed by a gnome lord 06:21 this one 06:26 you can copy my statuscolors if you'd like 06:26 https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/F/FIQ/dnethack/FIQ.dnethackrc 06:34 I kind of miss the implicit hilarity of 3.4.3 having an OP defense like Elbereth and people still considering it hard 06:35 E is good for streaking, not necessary for winning 06:35 [13dnh] porkman (Ana Inc Fem Cha) wished for "blessed fireproof greased +3 tie-dye shirt of shambhala", on T:2912 06:37 raw idea, maybe power scales with Int or some stat, but that may unbalance it to casters 06:37 or XP 06:38 hmm 06:39 can someone please suggest a decent options file to cut and paste? 06:39 i see hardfought starts with none of em 06:39 or hey, maybe i can copy my NAO one 06:39 one sec 06:39 https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/k/k2/dnethack/k2.dnethackrc 06:40 thanks! 06:40 just remember to exclude the junethack k2 line if you doa blind copy paste :P 06:43 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:44 oh this is brilliant. thank you so much K2 06:45 lol 06:46 this game 06:46 i found a random magic marker on dlvl2, a random BOH on mines 1, and a throne wish on dlvl4 06:52 [13dnh] porkman (Ana Inc Fem Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:3661 06:55 and minetown has a second BOH 06:55 wtf, and a third BOH 06:56 have a boh party 06:57 YANI: you can W)ear an empty sack or boh on your head. Blinds you and sets charisma to 6 06:58 if you try to wear a bag of tricks --> instadeath 06:58 with an amusing message 07:00 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 07:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 07:01 hmm 07:01 poison from a poisoned weapon -> you feel very sick! 07:01 hmmmm 07:02 I have no foodpois or ill status on bar though 07:02 you lost constitution 07:05 jonadab: heh, apparently Luxidream didn't like Rodney abusing turn undead 07:06 v - a blessed greased rock named if there are 3 wizards again I'm never playing this variant again 07:06 -!- tacco| has quit [] 07:07 -!- tacco| has joined #hardfought 07:10 bones? 07:10 No 07:10 Turn undead 07:10 I was reading his dumplog 07:11 He had a rock with this name 07:11 https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Luxidream/fiqhack/dumplog/2017-10-21%2006:30:56,%20A%20hot%20single%20Mahou%20Shoujo-Wiz-Orc-Fem-Cha,%20ascended.txt 07:13 Porkman you are welcome! :) 07:13 Ah, dumplog. 07:14 I thought you found the rock in your game. 07:15 Nah 07:15 Apparently he wished for it right before ascension 07:15 -!- tacco| has quit [] 07:16 -!- tacco| has joined #hardfought 07:20 ahh 07:21 so asmo polying is actually working as intended 07:21 luxidream whacked him with trice 07:21 and he had no other way to save himself 07:21 neat 07:22 nethack is becoming self-aware 07:22 K2: This is FIQHack, what did you expect? :p 07:22 lol 07:22 nothing less 07:23 Oh, nifty. 07:27 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v FIQ] by ChanServ 07:27 -!- ri-corpse-san has joined #hardfought 07:27 -!- mode/#hardfought [+o Mandevil] by ChanServ 07:29 and a random magic lamp in mines 07:29 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v NotTheOracle\dnt] by K2 07:29 I shall be able to recreate my bugged character soone nough. pity that smoky potion isn't alchemizable this game 07:31 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 07:34 ais523: Do you see an issue with the potential of 3+ Rodneys as a result of turn undead? 07:35 Warning: Skynethack will become self-aware and realise that Nethack works much better and bug-free if there are no human players 07:35 I personally don't, but apparently someone else did 07:35 so I was wondering your view 07:35 therefore, it will hack into the world's nuclear arsenals and launch armageddon 07:35 FIQ: there are plenty of ways to get 3+ Rodneys in 3.4.3 07:35 ais523: Message from aosdict at 2017-10-21 07:51 EDT: By the way, wanted to hear your opinion on this spoiler conundrum: do you still consider it spoiling if a first-time player downloads the source and immediately reads all of data.base, oracles.txt, rumors.tru and rumors.fal, and makes inferrals based on their content? 07:35 ais523: I meant without player involvement 07:36 Luxidream in his game had Rodney cast Double Trouble 07:36 he killing one of them 07:36 the other cast Double Trouble again 07:36 and then someone revived the dead corpse 07:36 that seems like a plausbile combination of monster abilities 07:36 He... didn't approve lol 07:36 if it's seen as a balance problem, though, I'd recommend either banning double-Double Trouble 07:36 "v - a blessed greased rock named if there are 3 wizards again I'm never playing this variant again" 07:36 or making Rodney not leave a corpse 07:36 the former seems to make more sense though 07:36 So I was wondering if I was alone in my view of "working as intended" :P 07:37 ais523: Double Trouble only works if there is a single WIzard 07:37 But you can use Double Trouble to make 2 wizards 07:37 and then one can revive his former corpse 07:38 I mean, make it so that if Rodney casts Double Trouble, he(?) can't cast it again until the next respawn 07:38 Ah 07:38 That's one idea 07:39 ais523: Currently, Rodney *will* use Double Trouble whenever he can, above everything else 07:39 Because there is never a reason not to 07:42 YASI: any item can made "xornproof", which means if you leave it there item-eating monsters can't eat it 07:42 !rng slex | dnh 07:42 ri-corpse-san: slex 07:43 [12slex] rikersan (Roc Ang Mal Neu), 11800 points, T:5, quit 07:48 [07nd] Grasshopper (Kni Hum Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:42694 07:52 @le?karmic patch 07:52 karmic patch (08,01F) | Lvl: 5 | Diff: 7 | Spd: 5 | Res: poison | Confers: poison | MR: 0 | Generates: special | AC: 7 | Attacks: 1d8 passive drain luck, 1d8 touch drain luck | Alignment: 0 | Flags: genocidable, omnivore, breathless, mindless, vegan 07:53 [12slex] rikersan (Roc Ang Mal Neu), 537 points, T:867, killed by sinking in shifting sand 07:58 -!- aosdict has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:59 porkman: did you quit your old character? 08:00 no 08:00 it's there 08:00 waiting to see wwhether i feel liek making an insane bones pile 08:00 this game... smoky is obj det 08:00 not as easy to make as gain ability 08:00 but, I should poly a few anyway 08:01 porkman: honestly, it doesn't sound that hard to play 08:02 if you've still got identify, magic mapping/clairavoyance, and telepathy/warning, I'd still keep going 08:02 all spells are at like 5% 08:02 plus 08:02 ah rip 08:03 I can't kill lamashtu without seeing because I can't cast cone of cold on her location 08:03 because I cannot see 08:03 BFG 08:03 BFG w/ silver bullets ;P 08:03 that's on the floor bullwhipped 08:03 somewhere 08:03 porkman: if all else fails, you can try to bind otiax (I don't know if you have) 08:03 what's otiax? 08:03 he grants x-ray vision iirc 08:03 binder spirit 08:03 you'd lose eden, but it might work 08:03 dunno if I have him 08:03 !tell K2 FIQHack updated -- there's now a message when a corpse is revived, and Double Trouble chains is no more 08:03 Will do, FIQ! 08:04 yeah, I have otiax 08:04 you can try that 08:04 he needs to be drawn in a door 08:05 also, porkman: otiax's taboo is not to lock doors, so uh don't do that 08:05 -!- aosdict has joined #hardfought 08:06 haha 08:06 can i smash them open though 08:06 not if they're unlocked 08:06 locked doors can be kicked down tho 08:06 [07nd] Eleven (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping 2 crude daggers on an altar, on T:4406 08:06 I think it only applies to kicks though not sure 08:06 I'll wiztest later 08:09 porkman: nope, any door destruction of an unlocked door counts 08:09 I can't seem to bind otiax 08:09 if I close the door, nothing happens 08:09 you already have eden bound 08:10 you'll need to break that taboo and lose a level or wait for it to time out 08:10 if i open it, it says "you instinctively look for a door to open!" 08:10 yeah, you can only bind 1 at a time 08:10 hold up, otiax doesn't seem to give xray anymore 08:11 now otiax is active 08:11 can you see 08:11 if not I'm sorry >_> 08:14 Tarmumortem: was otiax's xray vis changed? 08:15 oh, it wasn't otaix >:U 08:15 it was orthos 08:15 porkman: >_> i'm sorry for that 08:15 you may not have orthos though 08:16 :/ 08:16 nope 08:16 no orthos 08:16 :( 08:16 there's a small chance that the book of lost names is somewhere 08:16 library of law (axus level) 08:16 not gonna mess with it 08:16 i searched it anwyay, nothing there 08:16 :/ 08:17 it's also got a 10% chance of being with the wizard, at the valley, or in the sanctum iirc 08:25 [13dnh] rikersan (Bin Orc Mal Non), 107 points, T:508, killed by a jackal 08:27 [13dnh] rikersan (Ana Inc Mal Cha), 193 points, T:317, killed by a water demon, while sleeping 08:33 [13dnh] porkman (Ana Inc Fem Cha) wished for "blessed fireproof greased +3 shield of yggdrasil", on T:7905 08:35 porkman: pro-tip, shields are stupid, next time go for a gigantic one (gives much more AC) 08:35 i.e. "+3 gigantic shield of yggdrasil" 08:35 and I can still wear it? 08:35 (and how much does it weigh) 08:36 it will weigh more 08:36 but you can wear it still 08:36 iirc shields and cloaks are available to creatures smaller than the size 08:36 i.e. a medium one can wear a large cloak/shield, but not vice-versa 08:37 [07nd] Eleven (Wiz Hum Fem Cha), 2937 points, T:5602, killed by a bolt of cold 08:37 can I use an upgrade kit to make it gigantic? 08:37 you should be able to yes 08:37 find a gigantic monster first 08:37 it asks for monster type not size 08:37 oh, and is the sunless sea guaranteed? 08:38 yes 08:38 but it can be anywhere 08:38 I've had it as a downstairs on medusa's island, but also on lvl 1 08:38 . 08:38 K2: Message from FIQ at 2017-10-21 11:03 EDT: FIQHack updated -- there's now a message when a corpse is revived, and Double Trouble chains is no more 08:39 FIQhack updated 08:39 -!- Haudegen has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:40 !who 08:40 ri-corpse-san: porkman [13dnh] Luxidream [10fh] Eleven [07nd] Grasshopper [07nd] Raisse [07nd] 08:40 !whereis porkman 08:40 ri-corpse-san: porkman [13dnh]: (Ana Inc Fem Cha) T:8355 The Dungeons of Doom level: 8 08:41 !whereis Luxidream 08:41 K2: Luxidream [08un]: (Convict orcish Mal chaotic) T:614 The Dungeons of Doom level: 2 08:41 hah 08:41 yeah thats broke 08:41 bhaak: nice and consistent output 08:42 hmm unnethack is not releasing whereis files 08:42 may have to tell dgl to do it 08:43 K2: what is the file called? 08:43 for this info 08:43 whereis, thanks 08:43 .whereis 08:43 !whereis Luxidream 08:43 K2: Luxidream [10fh]: No details available 08:43 FIQ: please add whereis function to FIQhack 08:44 yeah I was going to add it 08:44 sweet 08:44 Oh, do we not have that? 08:44 Seems like something we should have, yeah. 08:45 !who 08:45 K2: porkman [13dnh] Luxidream [10fh] Eleven [07nd] Grasshopper [07nd] Raisse [07nd] k2 [08un] 08:45 !whereis k2 08:45 K2: k2 [08un]: (Priest human Mal neutral) T:4 The Dungeons of Doom level: 1 08:45 !who 08:45 K2: porkman [13dnh] Luxidream [10fh] Eleven [07nd] Grasshopper [07nd] Raisse [07nd] 08:45 that is very consistent 08:45 !whereis k2 08:45 K2: k2 is not currently playing. 08:46 \o/ 08:46 YANI: bones files have a bell curve for being left. the chance increases from level 6 to around lvl 15, and goes slowly back down as you pass that 08:46 so gehennom bones are almost never left, but i.e. big room ones may be more often 08:47 nah 08:47 to ensure that you don't get crappy early game bones as often, but then you're less likely to get full ascension kits as well 08:47 fixed the unnethack whereis holdover bit 08:47 ais523: hmm does nethack have existing file handling functions or should I make my own from scratch? 08:48 porkman: are you collecting all da silver stones? lol 08:48 ri-corpse-san: Deaths on bones-eligible below about Medusa's Island or so are quite rare as it is. 08:48 I mean, of course it has file handling, but 08:48 is it abstracted in a way where it can be useful for this 08:48 bones-eligible *levels 08:48 jonadab: yeah, that wouldn't be changed 08:48 much at least 08:48 I mean, not many people die there is teh reason for no bones afaict 08:48 FIQ: Maybe look at what xlog does. 08:49 I just think bones are a cool surprise, and it would be cool to have them occur more often 08:49 I mean, that's append, but. 08:49 I was looking at livelog 08:49 Ah, yes, I think when I did the livelog, I probably looked at xlog. 08:51 K2: what is the whereis format 08:51 one moment 08:52 jonadab: come to #slashemextended 08:52 or #em.slashem.me 08:52 Elronnd: To what purpose? 08:52 because goldenivy and I want you to 08:52 FIQ - contents of Porkman's .whereis file: 08:52 depth=4:dnum=0:hp=47:maxhp=47:turns=9107:score=34068:role=Ana:race=Inc:gender=Fem:align=Cha:conduct=0x986:amulet=0 08:52 ty 08:52 it is not tab delimited 08:53 Elronnd: That doesn't address the question. 08:53 For what purpose do you want me to? 08:54 And if you say "Because you are my friend, and I matter to you" like she would say, then I will be more blunt with you than I am with her, because I don't think you're as emotionally fragile as she is. 08:54 [07nd] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 15647 points, T:7794, quit 08:54 I appreciate that 08:55 jonadab: should whereis be updated in replaymode with a specific flag, or just not be touched? 08:55 Replay mode should probably not touch whereis. 08:55 Or xlog, or livelog. 08:55 ok 08:55 that is already the case 08:55 Yeah, I think we had a bug with that previously, which is now fixed. 08:55 For livelog. 08:56 [07nd] Raisse (Arc Dwa Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a werejackal, on T:6171 08:56 [10fh] Pew Pew Bitches (Luxidream) (Ran Hum Mal Neu), 37425 points, T:2697, killed by a human mummy 08:57 jonadab: idk, to talk? What does anyone ever do in an irc channel 08:57 Yes, but the topics of those channels don't really interest me. 08:57 I can talk in other channels, which are about topics that do. 09:00 So why would I be in *that* channel, in particular? 09:06 [07nd] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Neu) had Giantslayer bestowed upon him by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:1294 09:07 vanilla nethack could use a good monk gift 09:09 Whisperfeet 09:09 an armor/gauntlets would be good 09:09 premium heart is OP in dnethack but it could be ported I guess 09:10 [07nd] Raisse (Arc Dwa Fem Law) had Sunsword bestowed upon her by Quetzalcoatl, on T:9443 09:11 ri-corpse-san: Gauntlets of Defense? 09:11 those would work 09:12 Spellbooks are pretty decent for Monks, too. 09:12 shield of the resolute heart migth be better than defense, as invisibility is easy to get and auto-enchanting is nice 09:14 Flavor wise, Monks aren't really intended to need a shield. 09:15 (Though, they can't #twoweapon and aren't going to use a two-handed weapon either, so that's a little weird.) 09:16 what who 09:16 YANI: Expert and higher Martial arts allows a second attack if the first one hits, but only if your off-hand is avialable (so, no shield). 09:16 porkman: check #dnethack 09:17 [07nd] Eleven (Arc Hum Fem Law), 560 points, T:3769, killed by a jackal 09:20 [07nd] Raisse (Arc Dwa Fem Law) had Trollsbane bestowed upon her by Quetzalcoatl, on T:10529 09:22 bah, I'll just stick with sunsword then 09:23 don't want to wait around in the doorway of the minetown temple for another 5000 turns 09:23 sunsword isn't bad at least 09:23 might be useful for the mines? 09:23 yes, somewhat 09:23 though I do have a lamp (oil) 09:24 ais523: hmm does nethack have existing file handling functions or should I make my own from scratch? ← see files.c 09:24 I don't like the way it currently works, and it's one of the things I'm considering changing in vanilla 09:24 [10fh] robin hud (Luxidream) (Ran Hum Mal Neu) killed the ghost of TKirby, the former Conjurer, on T:3338 09:26 does trollsbane in 3.6.1 already prevent trolls from reviving? 09:26 then I'll keep it 09:27 [07nd] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed rustproof +2 helm of brilliance", on T:3614 09:27