00:03 -!- khoR_ has joined #hardfought 00:06 FIQ: This having to press enter twice when opening my bag is pretty annoying. :c 00:07 acutally itsnot double enter 00:07 its a, b, enter, option 00:07 so 4 inputs to open a bag 00:12 DIED: k2 (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 0 points, zapped himself with a spell 00:13 Oh noes 00:13 I forgot where my stash is 00:13 D: 00:17 Great, this devil is running away with my only weapon 00:17 what the hell do I do now 00:18 ha! got it back 00:19 FIQ: How am I supposed to know there is a stair here. Shouldn't it be highlited red? https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/6Umn8DpN/ 00:20 -!- Announcy has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:20 -!- Announcy has joined #hardfought 00:35 What 00:35 where the hell did this guy come from 00:37 -!- nht has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:37 -!- nht has joined #hardfought 00:40 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 00:41 So this demon lord came out of nowhere to abruptly end my run 00:41 I dont know what I did wrong 00:41 :| 00:41 It seems so unfair 00:56 [114k] wlkef;awke (flump) (Kni Hum Mal Law), 4230 points, T:1457, killed by a force bolt 01:00 -!- elenmirie has joined #hardfought 01:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v elenmirie] by ChanServ 01:05 [10fh] Khor (Pri Hum Mal Law) averted death, on T:11570 01:05 What the hell killed me 01:06 something paralyzed me and I instantly die 01:06 this game lol 01:07 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 01:07 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 01:11 FIQ: do bullwips never ever miss? 01:11 this monsters got my excalibur 5 out of 5 times 01:11 this quest is incredibly annoying 01:12 on FIQH 01:12 oh great 01:12 he took another weapon 01:12 ... 01:15 and his whip was even cursed 01:15 which apparently doesnt even matter 01:19 Question, 01:19 isn't there supposed to be a quest artifact? 01:21 Oh... It's here... Randomly lying on the ground... What? 01:27 did something else than you kill the nemesis? 01:54 Nope 01:54 But when I went downstairs the nemesis was already there and did 2 actions before I could even move 01:54 this FIQH seems so broken tbh 01:56 -!- elenmirie has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:03 -!- Porkman has joined #hardfought 02:03 hi 02:03 Hello Porkman, Welcome to #hardfought 02:06 Can I ask a bit of advice please : 02:07 Anyway to increase spell fail rates from a base 12%... I'm wearing crystal plate mail, grandmaster robe, Stormhelm, gauntlets of magic power, and silver dragon scale shield (it's probably gauntlets and shield that penalise me) 02:09 what about the helm, or is that basically a helm of brilliance? 02:10 it's a HOB enchantable to +7 02:10 but I understand only dragon scales give full reflection? 02:11 ie, a dragon blast would hit me unless I have silver dragon scale shield or armor 02:11 (and crystal plate mail lets me use the T-shirt as unihorn - have not found a unicorn yet!) 02:11 also... I did not get a message when picking up the charkam, and the quest leader isnt giving me the second part of the quest 02:20 sorry, this is a variant I don't know :-( 02:20 It' weird you have any trouble at all with that set 02:21 Maybe you can fix it by enhancing the spell school you have trouble with 02:22 even spells on expert 02:23 Then I don't get why you would have issues with % 02:23 sounds weird 02:36 [07nd] Raisse (Hea Gno Fem Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping a dagger on an altar, on T:3092 02:42 -!- nht has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:48 -!- nht has joined #hardfought 02:51 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 02:51 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Grasshopper] by ChanServ 03:27 -!- Haudegen has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:28 LarienTelrunya: I actuall intend to make the max level size bigger in Fourk, at some point, yes. It's proving to be technically challenging, however. 03:29 LarienTelrunya: The reason ais wants them to be one line shorter is because A) most of them already are anyway (only a handful use that last line) and B) he wants to support 80x24 fully. 03:29 -!- Porkman has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 03:31 jonadab: 80x25 is the one true terminal size :D 03:40 * jonadab usually plays at about 150x50. 03:40 (Assuming I'm playing a variant that knows what to do with that much space.) 03:48 80x25masterrace 03:52 !who 03:52 FIQ: No current players 03:55 DIED: nht (Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu), 796 points, killed by a rothe 04:00 FIQ: ur variant is poo 04:00 why :( 04:00 I have been raging all morning 04:00 NeroOneTrueKing: your archon isn't paralyzed at least 04:01 I did priest questand now I wanna kill myself 04:01 that's how bad it was 04:01 khoR_: ur face is poo 04:01 khoR_: ok 04:01 tons of monsters with bullwhips that never seem to fail 04:01 Ah, doesn't the priest quest have like a ton of undead? 04:01 demon lords coming out of nowhere 04:01 purple worms that never stop reviving 04:01 ? I didn't change demon summoning mechanics 04:01 getting paralized and instakilled 04:02 going down to the boss lvl and him getting two turns before I can even do a single action 04:02 having to explore all the level because he apparently didnt have the mitre on him 04:02 everything was terrible 04:02 sounds fun 04:03 have you ever played priest quest level in fiqhack? 04:03 Did FIQ even change priest quest at all? 04:03 no 04:03 (Other than indirectly by improving monster AI...) 04:04 I am investigating bullwhip code 04:04 purple worms that never stop reviving sounds like zombie mechanics. 04:04 Actually, hmm. 04:05 Maybe your zombie changes are an issue for the priest quest? 04:05 but 04:05 you can instantly kill zombies 04:05 with turn undead 04:05 as a priest 04:05 Ah. 04:05 and doing this is strongly encouraged 04:05 #turn is one of those things everyone forgets exists. Kind of like #jump 04:05 even in vanilla by the quest layout 04:06 khoR_: yes, bullwhip success is 100% 04:06 Is that symetric? 04:06 Seems like an Arc buff if so. 04:06 unless weapon is welded 04:06 or anheavy iron ball 04:06 jonadab: pretty sure this used to be the case in vanilla, just that I made the monster AI much more willing to do it 04:07 I'll see how it is for the player 04:07 ohb wait 04:07 it isn't guranteed at all 04:08 25% of not getting it 04:08 25% to the floor 04:08 25% to monster's floor 04:09 25% stealing 04:09 So 75% chance it's out of your hands. 04:13 ok 04:13 the way it works for the players 04:13 is very confusing and in some cases even counterproductive 04:13 but it boils down to roughly the same chance or even more likely to steal it 04:14 if high dexterity 04:14 I dont know what is different 04:14 but its way more annoying in FIQH 04:14 I can assure you that 04:14 yes because in vanilla monsters basically never use a bullwhip 04:14 in FIQHack, monsters *always* do if they have a reason to 04:15 I meant the quest in general 04:15 did you use turn undead at all? 04:15 it should easily clear the zombies 04:16 for demons 04:16 you can use wands 04:16 remember that FIQHack buffs them 04:19 I don't _remember_ there being demons on the Priest quest in 3.4.3. Granted, I've only made it there once. 04:19 it has graveyards 04:19 they can have demons 04:19 Yes, I remember graveyards. 04:19 Didn't realize graveyards have demons. 04:22 this is bizarre 04:22 this Archon is not moving 04:22 at all 04:22 but it isn't paralyzed 04:22 what is going on lol 04:23 What is its AI strat? 04:23 let's see 04:23 FIQ: I've had a similar thing happen with pets in slex once, the problem was that the paralysis flag was cleared but another flag (I think mtmp->mcanmove or something) was still zero. The pet in question would just not react to anything anymore. 04:24 yes I did check both flags 04:24 because I did suspect this 04:24 but they're ok 04:28 (chasing mon), target 23,10, muxy 2 04:30 310 04:30 looks ok to me 04:31 EPI: tame monsters have a 1/50000 chance each turn to have their movement rate set to 0. 04:52 the Archon intends to cast haste self 04:52 which is fair 04:52 but why isn't it doing it 04:55 ok so I figured out why it happened 04:55 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:55 but there is a bug here 04:56 the monster was trying to unmaintain a spell 04:56 but the code didn't work properly on monsters 04:56 that is now fixed 04:56 but why? 04:58 ok I think I fixed it 05:00 !tell K2 pushed fixes 05:00 Will do, FIQ! 05:00 NeroOneTrueKing: your archon shouldn't be immobile anymore 05:28 K2: What compiler are you using when you compile Fourk on the server? 05:29 (Also what _version_ of the compiler, and what optimization flags?) 05:33 [06nh4] TKirby (tkirby) (Bar Hum Fem Cha), 67312 points, T:19787, killed by a little dog 05:40 -!- lorimer has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 05:47 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:53 FIQ: Yes, I used it, but it was pretty useless for anything that wasn't a zombie 05:54 There was a suprising ammount of demons 05:54 but zombies is what cause the revivals 05:54 You can check the replay I guess 05:54 not unless the game is over 05:54 well I happened to have a life saving amulet with me 05:54 lucky for me, since it would have sucked to lose the game like that... 06:56 DIED: dgoddard (Mon-Hum-Mal-Cha), 370 points, killed by a magic missile 06:56 -!- hothraxxa has joined #hardfought 06:56 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v hothraxxa] by ChanServ 07:00 -!- rikersan has joined #hardfought 07:01 YANI: a lamp, that when lit, shows traps in a 3-square range 07:01 either only shows the traps while within its radius, or doesn't provide any light 07:01 three-way function? off, light, traps 07:01 like the lamp my kids used to have that had off, light, UV 07:01 maybe 07:01 interesting idea 07:01 that seems a big complicated though 07:02 raisse: yeah I was thiknking of calling it a UV lamp 07:02 or a different kind of lamp that costs the same as the magic lamp so it's harder to price-ID 07:02 I imagine it would be a charged magical tool but still just display as "a lamp" when unidentified? 07:02 rather like bag of holding and oilskin sack 07:02 * aosdict can hear the groans of players suffering from this years in the future 07:03 EPI: framestutter trap that repeats your moves sometimes, making your game play as though your gpu is inadequete 07:03 aosdict: yes, basically the same as a magic lamp 07:03 by 'charged' do you mean that it has charges, and runs out? 07:03 I was envisioning it runs out the same way a normal lamp does 07:03 raisse: yes, like the 1500 charges of a normal lamp 07:03 with 1k-1.5k charges at the start, unviewable 07:03 can probably be recharged with charging scrolls, but not oil 07:03 ah, so you only turn it on when you're actually expecting traps, like in the mines 07:03 for simplicity, how about it just detects unseen? 07:04 would work for magic portals too ;) 07:04 and hidden doors 07:04 I just thougth of this while running around an unlit map looking for a portal 07:04 You see here a lamp named the Lamp of Never Have To Search Again. 07:04 that seems like a slex fake arti name :p 07:05 but hey, just a thought 07:05 YANI: some sessile invisible monster with a nasty passive attack 07:08 dnh and I think slashem has a teleporting permanently invisible monster 07:08 @d?phantom fungus 07:08 !ping 07:08 rikersan: Pong! 07:15 YANI: a different sort of light source that treats cloud terrain within its radius as if it isn't there. 07:15 Or maybe that could be folded into this new lamp idea as well. 07:20 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:20 [06nh4] TKirby (tkirby) (Bar Hum Fem Cha), 31307 points, T:3481, killed by a bugbear 07:21 !who 07:21 Tarmunora__: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2017-10-17 02:28 EDT: heh, no, but I guess I could make a hat that improves skill training speed 07:21 Tarmunora__: rikersan [13dnh] tkirby [06nh4] 07:27 aosdict: 'x-ray lamp' then for a name? 07:27 also grants astral vision of radius 3, like the eyes of the overworld 07:30 tarmunora, since you seem to be here: is it just me, or is the grandmaster's robe kinda more useful than the robe of the archmagi? 07:30 there are plenty slotless MR artifacts, and there's magicbane 07:30 and the double robe effect seems really nice for wizards 07:32 GM robe also boosts unarmed 07:33 And any artifact robe gives 2x robe effect 07:35 ah ok 07:35 The bigger thing for chaotic monks being gifted it is unrestricting many spell schools to expert 07:35 and yeah I was just wondering how useful that was for a wizard with magicbane 07:35 For a wiz, not that great 07:35 what does it unrestrict? do you know off the top of your head? 07:35 I'll sourcedive otherwise 07:35 But only monks can get it 07:35 or binders I guess 07:35 iirc: attack, matter 07:35 I'll have to try a cheapo monk binder run next time 07:36 w/ eurynome and buer, and the gm robe 07:37 binders cannot get robe of the archmagi, only GM robe 07:37 yea 07:37 only wiz can get the archmagi right? 07:38 Only chaotic monks 07:38 expert_weapon_skill(P_ATTACK_SPELL); 07:38 expert_weapon_skill(P_ENCHANTMENT_SPELL); 07:38 expert_weapon_skill(P_ESCAPE_SPELL); 07:38 expert_weapon_skill(P_MATTER_SPELL); 07:38 With these spell schools unrestricted to expert 07:38 ah cool 07:38 I thouhgt it could still be named by lvl 30 wiz 07:39 The hat can 07:41 !tell NeroOneTrueKing being gifted the artifact crystal sword should unrestrict long sword to expert, not broad sword 07:41 Will do, Tarmunora__! 07:41 rikersan: I like it more as a non-lighting source of detection. Astral vision is too good. 07:41 Plus astral vision doesn't uncover unseen things. 07:42 hm ok 07:42 bonus points: shows black lights :P 07:42 but no other invis monsters 07:42 or maybe all other invis monsters i dunno 07:42 detect unseen by default only shows I 07:43 lol, the robe of the archmagi is still a wizard-favoring robe 07:43 -!- rikersan has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 07:48 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 07:48 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v raisse] by ChanServ 08:12 DIED: khamul (Sam-Hum-Mal-Law), 3679 points, killed by an owlbear 08:22 -!- Tokage_ has joined #hardfought 08:30 Hey, so word is someone here tried to port GruntHack on Windows at some point? 08:31 I mean no reason for a Windows version of the game to exist somewhere for me to download already - it's not like it's the most popular operating system or anything. 08:34 -!- Tarmunora_ has joined #hardfought 08:34 Nevermind that Nethack itself, SLASH'EM, UnNethack, whatever else I'd like to play, is freely available and perfectly functional from the get-go. 08:36 Feel free to compile a binary yourself 08:36 I'm not a programmer. 08:36 Why does everyone assume I'm a programmer? 08:37 Don't need to be 08:37 I'm just a guy. 08:37 https://nethackwiki.com/mediawiki/index.php?title=Compiling&oldid=99565#On_Windows 08:37 I've tried to make "Hello World!" work on two different occasions over the years. 08:37 Just use Grunt sources, not windows 08:37 Following instructions to the letter. 08:37 It didn't work. 08:38 -!- Tarmunora__ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:38 I used to do that stuff like a decade ago, on WinXP. But not only have I forgotten all about that now, I'm also no longer on WinXP - I'm using Win8 now, and I've been told that's even trickier to do anything on. 08:38 There's also the chance that it uses libraries that you don't have. I know that dNAO refuses to compile on windows, mostly because of the lack of a regex library 08:38 I tried to compile GruntHack then, and it didn't work. All it did was to make me frustrated, then infuriated, then in despair. 08:38 It left me lifelong scars. 08:38 Variant devs develop primarily for Linux because that's what public servers use. Even now, Fourk and FIQhack are just getting around to compiling Windows binaries because there's high demand. 08:39 I could die now, and I'd probably stick around and haunt the world until someone helped me make that damn thing work. 08:39 Also I have no idea what most of that stuff means. 08:39 dNethack's last updated binary is... 08:39 You tell me I don't need to be a programmer, but that sounds like programming talk. 08:39 3 years old 08:39 It's like some eldritch tongue unknown to man. 08:39 [06nh4] TKirby (tkirby) (Mon Hum Fem Cha), 18631 points, T:560, killed by a giant mimic 08:39 Compiling is dead easy 08:39 I just want to play a game and not go through all these damned hoobs. 08:39 hoops* 08:39 Download the compiler, run the bat files 08:40 I did once, I told you. 08:40 It never compiled. 08:40 I don't want to try again, when I have no reason to think it'd go any better this time. 08:40 If something goes wrong, document the errors and ask the dev (currently Tangles) 08:40 Why can't I just download and play it like I do things like SLASH'EM? 08:40 There's no reason for it to come as a bunch of code I know nothing about. 08:41 Because there isn't a compiled windows binary 08:41 Why? 08:41 No foo.exe file 08:41 Why? 08:41 Because they couldn't find a trusted person to compile on Windows. 08:41 [10:38:57] Variant devs develop primarily for Linux because that's what public servers use. Even now, Fourk and FIQhack are just getting around to compiling Windows binaries because there's high demand. 08:41 Why? It's the most popular operating system. 08:41 **because that's what public servers use** 08:41 And *repeately* compile on Windows, until any problems were fixed and it was releasable. 08:42 Tokage_: Windows is the most popular operating system for *users*. 08:42 Devs, on the other hand, favor Linux, or at least they do in this community. 08:42 But since most of us are users rather than devs, shouldn't they make it Windows compatible? 08:42 Anyway, that's all beside the point - I was told someone here tried it, apparently succeeded. 08:43 Most people play via ssh, which is client-neutral 08:43 I have no idea what that means. What's ssh, and does "client" have something to do with the operating system? 08:44 ssh: secure shell. The protocol that is used to connect to nethack servers 08:44 client: part of the client-server system; the end-user 08:45 Translation: most people play on servers via the internet, and servers don't care what the user is running, so long as they have a valid connection and terminal (the 'screen' the game is displayed on) 08:46 Last time I played one of those - about ten years ago - there was a ridiculous lack, no color, and even setting up numpad and a bunch of other options were behind a ridiculous amount of tweaking. 08:46 lag* 08:47 NA, EU, or other? 08:47 EU. 08:47 Playing Nethack on my own computer afterwards felt like a greased lightning. 08:47 ascension.run would be your best bet. Based out of france 08:47 A greased, iridescent lightning of color. 08:47 But idk if they have grunt 08:47 Oh, ascrun is in France now? I thought it was in Germany. 08:48 Oh right, germany 08:48 I need to stop getting that mixed up 08:48 I think em.slashem.me has GruntHack. 08:48 They do 08:48 Okay, I click the link and the browser doesn't understand the address, or whatever. 08:49 Your best bet on Windows is probably KiTTY, or PuTTY. 08:49 Actually, I'd go with KiTTY, it's more up-to-date on its crypto protocols, and one of the admins on the xd.cm side of things likes to disable weak crypto. 08:51 Whatever this KiTTY is, it's got a lot of funny words I don't understand and no download link. 08:51 -!- Tarmunora__ has joined #hardfought 08:51 Thought so. Grunt uses regex 08:52 http://www.9bis.net/kitty/?page=Download 08:52 Tarmunora__: Ah, yeah, that'll be an obstacle to compiling on Windows. 08:52 Not insurmountable, but it definitely complicates things. 08:53 Clicking the download link gets me a pop-up and directs me to a donation page. 08:53 No download files here. 08:53 It's always worked for me? 08:53 *shrug* Well it doesn't work for me. 08:54 Alright, well, I've never tried it on Windows Eight. 08:54 Apparently I'm the first person in Nethack community ever to use Windows 8. 08:55 -!- Tarmunora_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:55 But in fairness, this didn't work any better for me on XP either. 08:55 I think there are seven people total in the world who use Windows Eight. 08:55 There used to be eight, but one of them upgraded to Ten last month. 08:55 Well, at least I'm unique in some way. 08:55 Almost unique, at any rate. 08:55 Heh. 08:55 I just never saw any reason to move away from it. Everything I want to use on it has always worked fine. 08:56 Like I said, I'm not a programmer or computer-savvy in any way. 08:56 Except GruntHack. 08:56 Except GruntHack. 08:56 Doesn't have anything to do with being a programmer. 08:56 You only need to be a programmer if you want to make changes to how GruntHack works. 08:56 I think our definitions for "programmer" are different. 08:56 As far as I'm concerned, anything including the word "compile" in it is programming stuff. 08:56 A programmer is a person who writes computer programs. 08:57 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 08:57 A "user" is a person who uses that software. 08:57 There's also another category, "sysadmin", which is the guy who installs the software. 08:57 But most users are their own sysadmin, at least at home. 08:57 Err, or a family member. 08:57 Well, I'm not a sysadmin either. 08:57 I use Win10 08:57 I _have_ a Ten system. 08:58 I mostly use Devuan. 08:58 I guess I was a sysadmin once, but that was a long time ago and on a different system, and I've forgotten all about it now. 08:59 I still do want to figure out how to get regex to work with mingw 08:59 All jokes aside, I'm pretty sure Windows as a whole is still the most popular system. And I've played the exact same Nethack file through Win98, XP, 7, and now 8, without any fuss - apart from not installing GruntHack. 08:59 So if anyone in the world ever compiled the thing on any of those systems, it should work for me. 08:59 And I'm still just baffled that no one would ever have done that. 09:00 The issue is that Grunt is (presumably) developed off of (some of) the NAO patches, which were /exclusively/ designed to run on a linux server 09:00 Why? 09:00 You'd think getting it to work on Windows would be a number one priority. 09:00 Why which? Why was Grunt developed from NAO, or why was NAO designed for a server? 09:00 Hell, I haven't even found a downloadable Linux version of the game. 09:00 NAO was designed for a server because that was the whole reason it was developed. 09:00 Grunt used NAO stuff because players _like_ the NAO features because they are useful. 09:01 ALso, I think Grunt was developing mainly for public server. 09:01 As aosdict and I explained above, most people play off of servers 09:01 Which I can't seem to download. 09:01 And even if I could, it'd probably be slow and colorless. 09:01 LarienTulrunya: Did you get my YASI about 'skill caps'? 09:01 I think we're being trolled. 09:02 I swear I'm not trolling. Just think of me as your grandmother or someone else that's completely ignorant about computers and needs his hand to be held. 09:02 A grandmother with a seven-year scar that's being opened. 09:02 hi Tarmunora__! you should actually have a Beholder message telling you so; I'll probably implement an item with that name 09:02 -!- Tarmunora__ is now known as Tarmunora 09:02 Hmm 09:02 My grandmother wouldn't come up with bizarre arguments nobody would ever even think of like "even if I could download a public server it'd probably be slow and colorless." 09:02 hmm, maybe the message didn't go through for some reason 09:02 -!- Tarmunora is now known as Tarmunora_ 09:02 Hmm 09:02 !ping 09:02 LarienTelrunya: Pong! 09:03 Well. As I said, I'm not a troll. It's just that the last time I used a public server it was slow and colorless. 09:03 02:28 !tell Tarmunora__ heh, no, but I guess I could make a hat that improves skill training speed 02:28 Will do, LarienTelrunya! 09:03 I think it was an European server back then too. 09:03 [06nh4] TKirby (tkirby) (Mon Hum Fem Cha), 36298 points, T:2983, killed by a killer bee 09:03 Oh, it showed up earlier, just missed it 09:03 Whoops 09:03 Anyway, it's besides the point because, again, I can't seem to download the thing anyway. 09:04 [09:21:36] !who 09:04 [09:21:37] Tarmunora__: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2017-10-17 02:28 EDT: heh, no, but I guess I could make a hat that improves skill training speed 09:05 My original question remains unanswered. 09:05 I was told there was someone here trying to do Grunt on Windows. 09:05 -!- lorimer has joined #hardfought 09:05 Is this true? And if so, who was it, and how it worked? 09:05 Unknown, and probably not 09:06 [06nh4] TKirby (tkirby) (Kni Hum Fem Law), 7379 points, T:98, quit 09:06 -!- Haudegen has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 09:06 And there's no way to play on a public server out of my browser, without some other program I understand nothing about? 09:07